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Hi guys, I'm making a microskirmish game. (less then 30 models aside.)

So, Some questions:

How many rounds does the Dakka public feel a bolter will have?
Bolt pistol?
heavy bolter
storm bolter
how many charge will a
Plasma cannon, gun, and pistol have?
how many uses a
multimelta
meltagun
heavy flamer
flamer has in one round.

I think the standard bolter's clip holds 30 bolts check lexicanum.com

Whats a clip? If by a MAGAZINE you mean:
Bolter: Cycle mag 30 bolts, box mag 100+ bolts
Bolt Pistol: 10 Bolts
Storm Bolter: Box mag 100+ bolts
Heavy Bolter: Box mag 100+ bolts, back pack feed 500+ bolts
Plasma pistol: Fuel Cell 10 shots
Plasma rifle: Fuel Cell 10-20 shots
Plasma cannon: Back pack 20+ shots (Estimate)
Melta: varies depending on pattern but I guess around 5-10 shots
Multi Melta: Back pack: 10-20 shots (Estimate)
Flamer/ Heavy flamer: Back pack 3-5 bursts (Estimate)
Las Cannon: Cell 20 shots
Las gun/ pistol: cell varies depending on setting, about 150 shots on single shot.

yes i meant magazine

out of curiosity.

just how do you plan on keeping track of 30 models ammo reserves?

Lots of "trust me" lol


I only see this working on smaller then a 30 a side skirmish. keeping track of all that ammo is going to be anything but easily done. An idea to help, instead of keeping track, you could do a necromunda esqe deal with your shooting. Roll to see if the gun works, or jams or needs to reload. Im sure you can do something as easy as, on a roll of 1, gun jams and takes a full 2 turns to fix. 2-4 works fine, 5 or 6 cant fire that fire phase. Thats just off my head, but I mean, something like that would work out decently anyways, better then having to count and tally and remember what squad and so on.

As for a "just so you know" heres a magazine

heres a clip

As it is a simple skirmish game I would either do a random jamming/out of ammo roll as part of the 'to hit' roll, or give each figure a heap of ammo counters, taking one away for each round of firing.

(figures taken from Inquisitor)

Bolt Pistol - 12

Heavy Bolter - 40

Storm Bolter - 30

Bolter (MkII Strait Mag) - 15

Bolter (MkIII Belt Feed) - 30

Bolter (MkIV Sickle Mag) - 20

Bolter (Mk IV Drum Mag) - 40

Meltagun - 5

Multi Melta - 5

Plasma Pistol/Gun/Cannon - 1 (needs to recharge)

Flamer - 6

Heavy Flamer - 8


I highly recommend looking at the Necromunda rules if you haven't already done so.

Hmmm, I'd have gone for the Inquisitor books as well, as |I recall they have a wide selection of Imperial guns for you to look at, complete with how much ammo they carry in their magazines.

no, the game model has both a reload system and an amunition counter.

very small game, meant fo 10vs.10 marines, and maybe up to 30 or 40 guardsman (but they wouldn't need to worry about reloads mr. 500 shots.)

It's worth noting that Krieg lasguns only have 25 shots per power cell, because they turn them to maximum power.

KingCracker wrote:Lots of "trust me" lol


I only see this working on smaller then a 30 a side skirmish. keeping track of all that ammo is going to be anything but easily done. An idea to help, instead of keeping track, you could do a necromunda esqe deal with your shooting. Roll to see if the gun works, or jams or needs to reload. Im sure you can do something as easy as, on a roll of 1, gun jams and takes a full 2 turns to fix. 2-4 works fine, 5 or 6 cant fire that fire phase. Thats just off my head, but I mean, something like that would work out decently anyways, better then having to count and tally and remember what squad and so on.

As for a "just so you know" heres a magazine

heres a clip

And then it gets even funkier when you start talking about their half-breed love child the M1 Garand used, which is technically a Clip, but not entirely in the traditional sense.

^^ A stripper clip?

If what I'm thinking of is correct, I hate them sooooo much...

S_P

I would say check out the Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader books as well as Inquisitor. Both have stats on ammo capacity for most of the weapons you listed.

Crazypsyko, the garand thing is called an enbloc. First used in manliccher style rifles. Still a clip because it feeds an internal magazine on a firearm.

fastchocolatesurprise wrote:I would say check out the Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader books as well as Inquisitor. Both have stats on ammo capacity for most of the weapons you listed.

Crazypsyko, the garand thing is called an enbloc. First used in manliccher style rifles. Still a clip because it feeds an internal magazine on a firearm.

Thanks, I couldn't find anything on it, (granted I wasn't looking very hard, all I need to know is where the bullets go and I'm fine, usually.)

Don't the bullets usually go in the guys you want dead?

Krak_kirby wrote:Don't the bullets usually go in the guys you want dead?

Or paper. Whichever won't get me arrested.

@ CaptianSolomon: These guys are only half right about the whole keeping track of ammo thing. If you're doing individual models acting independantly as in Inquisitor then keeping track of more the 2-3 characters per player regardless of race is a major PITA.

If you're doing squad based fights then it won't be a problem you just keep track of the ammo for the squad as a whole, you simply assume that they are firing like an Infantry Line would deliver supresive fire. I.E. Line 1 fires a moment before Line 2 so when Line 1 runs out of ammo and has to reload Line 2 is still firing. So that per turn it works out that everyone has used the same amount of ammo firing.

Are you planning on posting these rules? I for one am curious to see what you come up with, I like skirmish level games my self .