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Last night, I played a friendly game against an IG army that used Straken. Every time I charged, he would roll Ld and, if he passed, get +1A, +1S, and +1I. Consequently, I never went first in an assault and always got power weaponed to fungal mush. How can I counter this counter to my charge?

P.S. Hellhounds!

What is your list composed of?

And his too?

HQ:
Big Mek 85 pts
w/ KFF

Big Mek 85pts
w/ KFF

Troops:
4X 20 Slugga Boyz 640pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP

19 Gretchin 67pts
w/ Runtherder

Fast Attack:
11 Stormboyz 172pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP

Heavy Support:
3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

Total
1499 pts



He had (guessing):
Straken
w/ Retinue

2x Platoon Command
w/ 2 Flamers
w/ 2 Power Fists

2x Combined Squad
20 guard each
w/ Commissar
w/ Sergeant
w/ Flamers

3x Heavy Weapons
Lascannons

3x Hellhounds
w/ Extra Armor

3 Ratlings

Game type was War of Attrition out of Battle Missions. Basically, any Troops unit that is fully destroyed comes back.

I am trying to figure out how he's getting the charge from orks now...

Something with Straken, units within 12" get Furious Charge and when they are assaulted, they get to count as charging if they pass a Ld test.

At least, that's what he said.

So it looks like you can template this guy to death...that...or lootas should work...(hellhounds can't outflank, right?)

He's mostly just sitting there waiting to be assaulted...thin out his numbers with some burna boys and you might have it

Counter-attack and Furious Charge don't stack. See the Space Wolf codex for reference.

MagicJuggler wrote:Counter-attack and Furious Charge don't stack. See the Space Wolf codex for reference.

Its true Claypool you've been had.
Counter-attack only gives you an extra attack as if you had charged, but you still don't count as charging thus recieveng no bonus I or S for Furious Charge.

I knew puny 'oomies couldn't beat the Orks!

No they can't, they can blow em up tho

Yes they can! Damn s'plosives!

Well it happens. He probably didn't do it on purpose. It can still make bulk guard unis nasty, but they have to sacrifice shootiness to do it. Just shoot them first, to lighten your load, then charge, also hellhounds are target priority for hoard armies.

Turning some of those slugga boyz into shoota boyz may help a bit as well. Sit out of charge range and shoot the bejeezus out of them. Then if they get within your charge range, bash their 'eads in wit yer shootas. Shoota shooting helps make ur orkies a bit more versatile.

also grotzookas would help or any anti-infantry unit as guard saves suck as much as ours (shootas would help too but lootas suck as anti infanty)

If you really want to be evil, replace one or two of those Killa Kan mobs with batteries of Lobbas. They're 2+ to wound Imperial Guard Infantry, deny them armour saves, and cause pinning. Plus they're G48" so you can stick them behind a building and they'll cheerfully shell the Imperial Guard all game.

As for the Hellhounds: Get Tankbustas!

Don't even need tankbustas, lootas will work just fine. Front armour is what? 13. Putting out 20 (average roll for medium sized squad) strength 7 shots into the side, which is easy to get via positioning, will piss them off. (side armour 12) I prefer the longer range and versitiliy of lootas, tankbustas can move and shoot, but because of their short range they have to go to the enemy armour, often getting caunght out of cover.

Hellhounds are Front Armor 12. As are Vendettas. And any vehicle that isn't Sentiel or Russ.

MagicJuggler wrote:Hellhounds are Front Armor 12. As are Vendettas. And any vehicle that isn't Sentiel or Russ.

Scout sentinel that is, since armored ones get the 12 too.