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Interesting moment came up last night in a game. I was deep striking a spore pod about 10 inches from a table edge, with a dark eldar raider between me and the table edge. I scattered directly towards the table edge and landed right between the raider and the board edge. I had to manuver the spore pod so it was an inch away from the raider and not off the board - it fit perfectly.

Now I had 20 gaunts in the pod. I could deploy about 10 of them on one side of the pod so that they were not within one inch of the raider and still within two inches of the pod itself, but to deploy the other 10, I would have either had to place them out of coheriency on the far side of the pod, or put a few of them between the pod and the raider (and therefore within one inch) and the remaining 7 or so on the far side, but now in coheriency.

We looked for something specific in the rule book, but didn't see anything that clearly addressed this.

We decided to play it somewhat like an emergency disembark, so I was able to place models within one inch, but they were not able to do anything else that turn.

I had thought possibly the remaining gaunts should have been destroyed as another option, because they couldn't be placed.

Any page references or "this is how we played it" would be appreciated.

regards

Yes, the models who cant get out are killed.

Page 54 of the Tyranid codex states that "If any models cannot be deployed because of impassable terrain or enemy models within 1", those models are destroyed." However, you don't actually have to keep them in coherency, so you can deploy half on 1 side and half on the other, and then just have to move into coherency as soon as you can.

While it doesn't specifically mention the table edge, it's not a stretch to assume that this is included also. However from a RaW standpoint the game now implodes and you make a kitten cry.

The Mycetic Spore isn't a vehicle, and has its own (very similar) rules about how models disembark from it. These specify that all models must be placed within 2" of the pod, and more than 1" away from enemy models. No coherency requirement is mentioned.

I suspect that some players will go with coherency being required, as it is generally assumed that models being 'deployed' must follow normal coherency requirements... but I would allow them to be placed in broken coherency if that's the only way they'll fit.

Ok, so assuming they are then placed out of coherency, are they then able to shoot as normal, or do they do nothing until they are able to get into coherency?
I ask because we initially had them like this and my opponent said "hey, I could just leave my raider there and they can't do anything, because they have to move into coherency during their movement phase, but since they can't do that, they can't assault or shoot".

Any thoughts on that?
I ask for the clarification because I am planning to bring this list to a GW tourney on Sat and it might possibly happen again.

Why wouldn't they be able to get into coherency?

Page 12 of the rulebok has your answer the gist of it is there is no penalty for being out of coherency.

Assuming you have the 'right' dimensions for your spore pod (about 3-3.5"?), you should be able to deploy termagants in rows of 3, You should have been able to deploy all of your termagants on the one side.

Unless you DSed your pod wrong and by moving it farther than the scatter said to move it so it landed between the raider and the table edge. When I read your post I thought you landed within 1" of the Raider, that means you reduce the distance until you're 1" away from enemy models. So if I read the post right, you should have had the Raider between you and the table edge, giving you enough room to deploy all models.

-Regarding the first part of my post, you should be able to disembark termagants side by side, 3 deep.
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Wait did you move the pod Further than your scatter distance to place it more than 1" away?

Because it sounds like you should have moved it to the other side of the raider and your gaunts could have "disembarked" on the other side without problem.

Reducing scatter means just that, not scattering further so you can place it.

I placed the pod initially about 5 inches north of the raider. I then scattered 10 inches due south, putting me past the raider, between it and the board edge. 11 inches would have put me off the board. I was just able to fit my pod (due to it's oval shape) between the edge of the board and the raider. A scatter of 8 or 9 inched would have probably put me in a place where I could not have placed the pod on the far side of the raider and would have had to reduce the distance to like 4 inches and keep it on the north of the raider.


Maybe this will help.



The green is areas I could deploy the gaunts. There was no way to put 20 gaunts on one side of the pod with all of them having part of their base within 2 inches of the side of the pod and also being 1 inch away from the raider.

In terms of the scatter, we play that scatter distance is not "movement", so if you are very close to an enemy model, you can scatter "over" them to the far side of the model. I know there is debate on this and the rules are not totally clear as to if "scatter distance" is movement or not.

I think the question they're asking is when you wrote...

" I had to manuver the spore pod so it was an inch away from the raider and not off the board"

...did you mean that you had to actually add scatter distance?

If you had to move it further, that wouldn't be allowed. If it wound up scattering on top of the raider, the scatter would be REDUCED so that it landed on the other side of said Raider, 1" away.

If by "maneuver" you just meant pivoting the model ont the spot to make sure no projections or parts of the model wound up within 1" of the Raider, I think people do often find that acceptable.

Ahhh, yeah. Sorry bad word choice. I meant I had to rotate the spore pod so that it fit, I didn't add any distance.

Who uses an oval shaped pod?

HiveFleetGoliath wrote:Who uses an oval shaped pod?

Well, Washecon does for one.

I don't believe you *can* rotate it. AFAIK, you should have mishapped.

Assuming you rotated it to avoid the table edge, that is.

I would suggest making an actual model that at least closely resembles the hull of a space marine drop pod, or invest in extremely expensive, hard to find.... pop cans.

Since there is no model for it, I do not see why using an oval spore pod is a problem, it is as valid a shape as any other (especially if it is the new MC base size which as a MC seems to make sense....)

It's a 4 wound MC, if any base should be given to it it should be the Carnifex size bases. And that oval base is obviously going to cause problems when DSing it.

HiveFleetGoliath wrote:It's a 4 wound MC, if any base should be given to it it should be the Carnifex size bases. And that oval base is obviously going to cause problems when DSing it.

A Spod has 3 wounds...

I like The Idea of more oval bases personally

Gwar! wrote:

HiveFleetGoliath wrote:It's a 4 wound MC, if any base should be given to it it should be the Carnifex size bases. And that oval base is obviously going to cause problems when DSing it.

A Spod has 3 wounds...

Sorry, was going off the top of my head. Still, the oval valkyrie base is too big in my opinion and the carni base (40mm? not too keen on the sizes) is too small, I made mine out of spray foam and cut them into 3-3.5" domes, about the size of a space marine drop pod.

I thought spods had 2 wounds...

Lukus83 wrote:I thought spods had 2 wounds...

Nah, 3.

Hmmm, will check that one out when I get home. Dammit.

Were your spores dying a little too fast? I got the Codex right here and says 3.

For some reason I had it in my head they were 2. Don't know why.

Here is the pic of the spore pod in question:



The pod itself is the spiky things attached to the grey base (the green hill is not part of the pod).

I don't see why you can't rotate a model when you scatter it? Is there something that says you must place it in the same position? I actually thought you just marked the initial position and then rolled scatter. I might want to look that up in the rule book.

While for the spore pod rotating is kinda a moot point I could see this being a BIG deal when Deep Striking Land Raiders!

I rotate my Mawloc and Trygon for best position if they deepstrike near obstacles/troops. It's made a difference a few times (stupid oval bases).

I have no problem with DPs being rotated, otherwise you are adding an unneeded level of complexity.

If that grey spot is the base I would seriously rethink about using those. Your spores look unnecessarily awkward. I would really suggest using something circular.

When and if they make a true model for it its not going to be all dynamic, its going to be something like the space marine drop pod where its easy to place and not hanging all over the place with a wonky base that would make it tough to DS.