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Trench-Raider wrote:I know better than to get involved in these discussions, but I simply can't help myself.

*sigh*....so much needless Squat hate out there.

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Totally agree. Especially this part:

This is not the only reason for Squat hate of course. But its surely one of the major ones.

To those who have made the claim that "Squats are silly" I have a news flash: the whole game was silly when Squats were first created. Pop on Ebay and get yourself a copy of the original RT book. (or download it through a file sharing service as original copies can be quite expensive these day) Read it from cover to cover and enjoy the laughs. Yes, the Grim dark existed back then and in some ways was quite a bit darker than it is today, but there was also a healthy dose of parody under the surface. Just look at the famous "Bitter Men" charicatures of the GW staff on the last page of the RT book. That sets the tone for the whole original 40k universe. Much of that is gone now of course (something I have mixed feelngs about). Had the GW studio not been too lazy to properly develop the Squats as they did other races (the real underlying message of JJ's famous "why we ditched the Squats post) the "silly" factor would no doubt have left them as well.

That one one of the best things about old 40k. At the moment, it's overblown and silly while pretending to be serious.

They do seem to be getting a bit back into shape now, not overtly but it feels like it's coming back with the new Guard and Wolf codex.

augustus5 wrote:Squats take a lot of critisism for their crappy models but seriously, look at any early 90's citatel figs and they all look like garbage.

I think some of Jes Goodwin's sculpts stand the test of time (personally, some look better than current figures, at least in design). Some of his sculpts from the early 90s are still in production today.

Im no band wagon guy. I just genuinely dislike the Squats. The idea is just terrible. I think a dwarf has its place in fantasy.
That being said, I will commend someone who did a nice conversion job tho. Ive seen a couple chaps that made a "Squats" IG force and I liked it. Just the Squats in general, that I cant stand lol.


As for the chaos squat guy...... that just SUCKS man. Id be pissed if I won a tournament with something like that, and then was just forgotten about.

KingCracker: That's fair, I'm just opposed to bandwagoning and needless uninformed ranting. As a squat player you'll never hear me say they are the best (or often even just good) army or with good models particularly. I prefer them in epic.

I'm mainly attached to them because, along with bloodbowl, in my youth (misty eyed) they captured my imagination and dragged me into the gaming. I often wish I'd picked another force but as they were all I had left of my (admittedly small) IG force from the late eighties/early nineties and I can't part with them. And I certainly couldn't just use them as they are..so I'm trying to convert them to look more like IG (more hard sci-fi than late eighties GW comic space opera) as they are the military arm (along with some old school IG) of my rogue trader's force and only survived the 'Nids because they were away from the homeworlds at the time of the hivefleet invasions/buffet. God I wish I chosen something simpler lol.

The Chaos guy has every right to be angry. They are still GW products and he has every right to use them and be lauded for his success. Naughty GW.