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sorry to hijack this thread but jackster can you have a quick look at my lizzy list i put up the other day as im new to them, and would like some imput

cammy wrote:sorry to hijack this thread but jackster can you have a quick look at my lizzy list i put up the other day as im new to them, and would like some imput

Stop Hijacking this thread lol.

The razordons aren't the best models, but they are cool and they can be good if you have some luck on your rolls. What I like about them is the 2x artillery dice str4 shots on the stand and shoot.

Is the piranha sword on the oldblood worth the points?

- Pim

Pimmilicious wrote:The razordons aren't the best models, but they are cool and they can be good if you have some luck on your rolls. What I like about them is the 2x artillery dice str4 shots on the stand and shoot.

Is the piranha sword on the oldblood worth the points?

- Pim

Well, i think it is considering it's 30 points, there's that weapon that gives you +2A but this can be better as, if you dealt 3 wounds from 5 attacks against orcs, let's say, that'd be 6 dead, I guess it's not the best against well-armoured enemies but against characters or horde it's good.

Against horde? I thought the weapon only dealt 2 wounds against models that have multiple wounds. But if it also works against, let say, chaos warriors or elf specialists then it is worth the points.

-Pim

Pimmilicious wrote:Against horde? I thought the weapon only dealt 2 wounds against models that have multiple wounds. But if it also works against, let say, chaos warriors or elf specialists then it is worth the points.

-Pim

"Any Unsaved Wound Inflicted By The Piranha Blade Is Multiplied into Two Wounds"

yes, I have the army book and I read it another time, but I'm confused because it says unsaved. And it looks so weird:
Your Oldblood veteran is in combat with an enemy unit and he manages to slash through two enemies and their armor. And then, out of the blue, another two die -.-

that just doesn't make sense ^^

- Pim

Pimmilicious wrote:yes, I have the army book and I read it another time, but I'm confused because it says unsaved. And it looks so weird:
Your Oldblood veteran is in combat with an enemy unit and he manages to slash through two enemies and their armor. And then, out of the blue, another two die -.-

that just doesn't make sense ^^

- Pim

Yeh that's the problem with some items in fluff, it's like that in 40k Too

Like with the Aunv'a Ethereal Staff, It says it creates a forcefield which protects him and his bodyguard from harm, it's pretty much a shield generator except it gives a cover save, so flamers and barrage weapons can negate it!

Haha, awesome force field xD

Allright, the piranha blade is usefull if it works your way. You might wanna give him some protection too because he is probably attracting a lot of arrows, stones, cannonballs or magic.

- Pim

Pimmilicious wrote:Haha, awesome force field xD

Allright, the piranha blade is usefull if it works your way. You might wanna give him some protection too because he is probably attracting a lot of arrows, stones, cannonballs or magic.

- Pim

Yeh, Shame U Can't Give Them More Than A 1+ save no more, I read you're thread, let down XD

Haha, yes =P

I don't like the saurus actually, although the oldblood is pretty good. I love to be more manouverable, so I'm gonna make a skink chief on a terradon with the Burning Blade of Chotek as general:
Pros:
- He cost half the points of the oldblood: 109 for the skink chief against the 196 for the oldblood
- The skink chief is super manouverable
- The skink chief can aid in combat against regen models
- The skink chief is better against low T high AS models

xD

How About Gor-Rok, Is He Worth Taking?

Not really, like all the other characters he costs too much, I brought up Chakax because I've good results with him in specific situations, but he's never been the backbone of a list, or the General.

Eyclonus wrote:Not really, like all the other characters he costs too much, I brought up Chakax because I've good results with him in specific situations, but he's never been the backbone of a list, or the General.

I might take him anyway, I don't really like having Scar-Leaders Or Oldbloods, The Only thing I'd Take The Oldblood with is the +2A Blade with Shield & Light Armour. Gor-Rok Is good, he can give the Saurus unit stubborn and in the new rules enemies are at -1 to hit when they charge him. I'm having a slaan now anyway so im not sure if i should take Temple Guard of make him just camp at the very back behind all of my saurus.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Pimmilicious wrote:Against horde? I thought the weapon only dealt 2 wounds against models that have multiple wounds. But if it also works against, let say, chaos warriors or elf specialists then it is worth the points.

-Pim

"Any Unsaved Wound Inflicted By The Piranha Blade Is Multiplied into Two Wounds"

It doesn't do what you think it does. Multiple Wounds only work against things with multiple wounds, or in challenges where overkilling a 1 wound champ is a possibility. The piranha blade is pretty good though, multiple wound weapons are always useful to have (for taking down monsters, characters, monstrous infantry, chariots, etc).

Pimmilicious wrote:I don't like the saurus actually, although the oldblood is pretty good. I love to be more manouverable, so I'm gonna make a skink chief on a terradon with the Burning Blade of Chotek as general:
Pros:
- He cost half the points of the oldblood: 109 for the skink chief against the 196 for the oldblood
- The skink chief is super manouverable
- The skink chief can aid in combat against regen models
- The skink chief is better against low T high AS models

Watch out about making this guy your general, unless you're playing all skinks! Besides being pretty vulnerable (I guess he could have a 5+ ward?), the 'Inspiring Presence' rule that generals have means that anybody in 12" must use his LD, so anybody with higher LD can't use it. I guess he isn't so bad (LD 7?) but still he makes a better support character (for what you note, including war machines and other light targets).

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:I might take him anyway, I don't really like having Scar-Leaders Or Oldbloods, The Only thing I'd Take The Oldblood with is the +2A Blade with Shield & Light Armour. Gor-Rok Is good, he can give the Saurus unit stubborn and in the new rules enemies are at -1 to hit when they charge him. I'm having a slaan now anyway so im not sure if i should take Temple Guard of make him just camp at the very back behind all of my saurus.

Oldbloods are fantastic for the points. Take one with any magical heavy armor (Gambler's Armor costs 20 points) and a shield, or light armor + dragonhelm + shield, or light armor + enchanted shield, and he's got a 1+ save, which you can make rerollable with the dawnstone for peanuts. And if you want stubborn, slap the crown of command on there for 35 points and you've got stubborn, on a model a lot tougher than Gor-Rok (and if not cheaper than a lot more useful). Something like ...

Oldblood - dragonhelm, dawnstone, crown of command, light armor, shield

... which leaves 30 points for a magic weapon: ASF sword, piranha blade, blade of chotec, (sword of might) all seem decent.

Course if you're running a slann too you likely have no points for an oldblood @ 2k, even if you run a budget toad (but who does?) Stubborn scarvets are certainly possible too, maybe ...

Scarvet - dragonhelm, crown of command, light armor, shield

... for a stubborn lizard with 2+ save and a 6+ parry?

- Salvage

Boss Salvage wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Pimmilicious wrote:Against horde? I thought the weapon only dealt 2 wounds against models that have multiple wounds. But if it also works against, let say, chaos warriors or elf specialists then it is worth the points.

-Pim

"Any Unsaved Wound Inflicted By The Piranha Blade Is Multiplied into Two Wounds"

It doesn't do what you think it does. Multiple Wounds only work against things with multiple wounds, or in challenges where overkilling a 1 wound champ is a possibility. The piranha blade is pretty good though, multiple wound weapons are always useful to have (for taking down monsters, characters, monstrous infantry, chariots, etc).

Pimmilicious wrote:I don't like the saurus actually, although the oldblood is pretty good. I love to be more manouverable, so I'm gonna make a skink chief on a terradon with the Burning Blade of Chotek as general:
Pros:
- He cost half the points of the oldblood: 109 for the skink chief against the 196 for the oldblood
- The skink chief is super manouverable
- The skink chief can aid in combat against regen models
- The skink chief is better against low T high AS models

Watch out about making this guy your general, unless you're playing all skinks! Besides being pretty vulnerable (I guess he could have a 5+ ward?), the 'Inspiring Presence' rule that generals have means that anybody in 12" must use his LD, so anybody with higher LD can't use it. I guess he isn't so bad (LD 7?) but still he makes a better support character (for what you note, including war machines and other light targets).

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:I might take him anyway, I don't really like having Scar-Leaders Or Oldbloods, The Only thing I'd Take The Oldblood with is the +2A Blade with Shield & Light Armour. Gor-Rok Is good, he can give the Saurus unit stubborn and in the new rules enemies are at -1 to hit when they charge him. I'm having a slaan now anyway so im not sure if i should take Temple Guard of make him just camp at the very back behind all of my saurus.

Oldbloods are fantastic for the points. Take one with any magical heavy armor (Gambler's Armor costs 20 points) and a shield, or light armor + dragonhelm + shield, or light armor + enchanted shield, and he's got a 1+ save, which you can make rerollable with the dawnstone for peanuts. And if you want stubborn, slap the crown of command on there for 35 points and you've got stubborn, on a model a lot tougher than Gor-Rok (and if not cheaper than a lot more useful). Something like ...

Oldblood - dragonhelm, dawnstone, crown of command, light armor, shield

... which leaves 30 points for a magic weapon: ASF sword, piranha blade, blade of chotec, (sword of might) all seem decent.

Course if you're running a slann too you likely have no points for an oldblood @ 2k, even if you run a budget toad (but who does?) Stubborn scarvets are certainly possible too, maybe ...

Scarvet - dragonhelm, crown of command, light armor, shield

... for a stubborn lizard with 2+ save and a 6+ parry?

- Salvage

That Oldblood looks pretty mean, I'll be redoing my list tonight so i can see what i'll have, thanks!

It's not too bad having a cheap slaan is it? Ahhh, Getting My Lizzie heroes right is the hardest bit! not only does it change my tactics, it also affects my points and what else i can take! :O