Tomb Kings Chariots (impact hit kb?)

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**Magus Nebula**

Davall wrote:Considering pg 71 specifically states the are close combat attacks, what more do you want? They may be "unusual", but it clearly says they are close combat attacks. Not just that they occur "in close combat", but black and white "as Impact Hits are close combat attacks".

The FAQ does not contradict this, or specifically change how impact hits work.

Well guess mind razor effects Impact hits now, and flaming banners, and hell, anything else we wanna tack on.

4 out of 5 cheeses

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DukeRustfield wrote:Let's go over this again:

It's listed under special rules. It IS a special rule. You have no idea how they work otherwise.

It inflicts hits in close combat. "Impact Hits are resolved at the very beginning of close combat"

Even the definition of Stomp says "model...can make a Stomp in addition to its OTHER close combat attacks." "Other" implies Stomp is a close combat attack--or it would have ommitted other. Cuz it is. It takes place close.

Fortunately, the FAQ has stated that Special Rules, that inflict hits in close combat, "SUCH AS" Stomp and Breath Weapons are not close combat attacks. They said "such as," knowing us smart people would know that also includes Thunderstomp and Impact Hits--the only other things that are special rules that inflict hits in close combat. (Stuff like Extra Attacks actually modifying the unit characteristics.)

But just to take the socratic method:

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

this is clear cut, and i agree 100%.

**LunaHound**

DukeRustfield wrote:Let's go over this again:

Q: Do special rules that can inflict hits in close combat, such as
Stomp and Breath Weapons, count as close combat attacks?
(p42)
A: No they count as an unusual attack and will be distributed
as a shooting attack.

It's listed under special rules. It IS a special rule. You have no idea how they work otherwise.

It inflicts hits in close combat. "Impact Hits are resolved at the very beginning of close combat"

Even the definition of Stomp says "model...can make a Stomp in addition to its OTHER close combat attacks." "Other" implies Stomp is a close combat attack--or it would have ommitted other. Cuz it is. It takes place close.

Fortunately, the FAQ has stated that Special Rules, that inflict hits in close combat, "SUCH AS" Stomp and Breath Weapons are not close combat attacks. They said "such as," knowing us smart people would know that also includes Thunderstomp and Impact Hits--the only other things that are special rules that inflict hits in close combat. (Stuff like Extra Attacks actually modifying the unit characteristics.)

But just to take the socratic method:

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

i !00% agree , it doesnt get any clearer than this.

**Davall**

The FAQ says no, the Impact Hits entry defines them as yes. I guess some of us will wait for a GW clarification.

Also, please refrain from the veiled personal attacks.

**nosferatu1001**

Duke - do you agree the more specific rule overrides the more general?

In general - special rule giving attacks dont benefit as they are not close combat attacks (FAQ)
Specifically Impact hits ARE defined as being close combat attacks, thus overriding the FAQ.

RAW Impact hits DO BENEFIT from this spell.

**citadel97501**

Well I need to throw my opinion on the stack, I really think that impact hits work with the spell if you use RAW, however I would not be surprised or annoyed with a simple FAQ stating it one way or the other. Although this should probably be in the TK book, and possibly the WOC book due to the Third Eye of Tzeentch.

**DukeRustfield**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Duke - blah blah blah

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

That's the FAQ. If you can say no to those, maybe I'll read your post.

**Tomb King**

DukeRustfield wrote:It's obviously a special rule. That's where it's located, otherwise you'd have no idea how they work. The FAQ explicitly states they are distributed as a shooting attack and don't count as close combat attacks. It's pretty simple, because p. 46 has how Close Combat works, including striking order, roll to hit. Those aren't done with Impact Hits.

Anyway, p42 the box "Resolving Unusual Attacks" defines Impact Hits specificially as "unusual attacks" (per the box heading)
p66 the title Special Rules, which lists Impact Hits and how to use them
p. 71 bottom, impact hits are close combat "of an unusual type"
p. 86 Chariots definition, "they have the Impact Hits (D6) special rule"

Then the BRB FAQ on the GW website which lists:

Q: Do special rules that can inflict hits in close combat, such as
Stomp and Breath Weapons, count as close combat attacks?
(p42)
A: No they count as an unusual attack and will be distributed
as a shooting attack.

It's been stated repeatedly it's a special rule and it's an unusual attack (twice on each count). It therefore doesn't count as a close combat attack per this FAQ. Not sure what more you want. The FAQ itself mentions "in close combat" doesn't count as a "close combat attack."

Alright, I see what your trying to argue. I will agree that Chariots are unusual attacks. However, the RULEBOOK states they are close combat attacks and compares them to more conventional close combat attacks. They are unusual because they are distributed as shooting and cant target characters etc...

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? yes, its under special rules!
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Yes they are afterall close combat attacks.
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? No, a vague faq doesnt cover everything and Impact hits are actually labeled as close combat attacks. The spells states it makes close combat attacks killing blow. Spell + close combat attack = KB(.)

We will have to wait for an faq.

**nosferatu1001**

Duke - given your last question entirely ignores the way the rules work, I can safey say "No" to the last question.

The FAQ only overrides the BRB when it specifically does so.

Do you agree that Specific > General?

Now, given I've bothered to read your antagonostic posts, perhaps you could do the same? Simple question:

Do you believe specific > general?

**maaksel**

Duke... yeah, not even going to get into why your post fails at the specific topic at hand.

The rules call out that impact hits *ARE* close combat attacks. Does it call it out in your vague/generalized FAQ about breath weapons? Does it say "breath weapons *ARE* close combat attacks?" Or does it go on to further say should be resolved as shooting etc.

It is pretty cut and dry, I don't see why people are arguing over it. RAW is the impact hits cause KB. Until it is FAQ'd, that is how it should be played. Your *OPINION* does not matter, the RAW is what matters.

**DukeRustfield**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Duke - blah blah blah

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

That's the FAQ. If you can say no to those, maybe I'll read your post.

**maaksel**

^^^ .... ???

**Drachii**

DukeRustfield wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:Duke - blah blah blah

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

That's the FAQ. If you can say no to those, maybe I'll read your post.

You might want to watch this and then consider the merits of your post with regard to actual constructive discussion

**Tomb King**

DukeRustfield wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:Duke - blah blah blah

-Do you agree Impact Hits are a special rule? Y/N
-Do you agree that they inflict hits in close combat? Y/N
-Do you agree that a FAQ on the BRB superceeds the BRB? Y/N

That's the FAQ. If you can say no to those, maybe I'll read your post.

lol I answered no to your question and you still posted this nonsense. If you cant add anything further then dont post. You should also ask more open questions. Your questions only include half of the argument/are leading questions. You should read up on the Socratic method before applying it.

**nosferatu1001**

Duke - since you're adding absolutely nothing, reported for trolling.

The answer to your third question is NO.

**ShivanAngel**

I have to throw my hat in with the "they get killing blow" crowd.

Rules are fairly clear cut, and if it gets FAQ'ed to not allow them to get KB with impact hits more power to them.