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Then he's not fighting with one less attack is he? He's fighting with two.

ChrisCP wrote:

Corrode wrote:They fight with one less Attack for one 'wielder'. Then they fight with one less Attack again for another wielder.

Again, that's not what the rules actually state.

So what do you think the rules actually state? You brought up the phrase 'than normal' yet that doesn't appear anywhere in the rule.

The -1 attack stacks for the same reason the -1 toughness from rad grenades stacks.

Its interesting to note that the dark eldar codex was actually well written and some of the items such as torment grenade launchers specifically state they do not stack, consider this as well in that there is no raw saying the shardnet and impaler doesn't stack.

I would agree with Nos if the S&I stated the affect was conferred if the model was based with "one or more models" bearing the S&I. As Blaktoof mentions, there are items that specify that they do not stack, such as the Torment Grenade Launchers.


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ChrisCP wrote:Then he's not fighting with one less attack is he? He's fighting with two.

If you are fighting with two less attacks, you are also fighting with one less attack.

From a mathematical proof standpoint, before you can be two less, you must first be one less.

nosferatu1001 wrote:And if you fight with 1 less attack you have fulfilled the rules for 1 or 1000 shardnets.

Same as IG advisors, which also do not stack.

This is the same arguement you used for saying multiple casting of +d3 attacks did not work, and GW says that is does work. Not saying you were wrong at the time you made the arguement, but following their logic, it would imply that you can be effected by multiple Shardnets.

Multiple +D3 attacks?

It just shows inconsistency at GW between what they say and sometimes what they mean.

The Libby power that gives himself or another in his squad +d3 attacks. Can't think of the name right now.

And if you look at different sections of the FAQ, and codex, it appears that things stack unless told otherwise. Nothing in the Shardnet says it does not stack, so it stacks.

I also agree that multiple shardnets in base contact can reduce the target's attacks multiple times

For torment grenade launchers, the rule says any model within 6" of one or more vehicles is affected.

The shardnet rule, if it did not stack, would have said every enemy model in base contact with one or more shardnets fights with 1 less attack.

So if I have an enemy model and I can get 2 shardnet equipped wyches in base cotact with it, it would now fight with 2 less attacks, to a minimum of 1!

Same here....

Except now it doesnt stack from one librarian, as you can only cast the same power once per turn.

IG Advisors dont stack....only psychic powers (now) explicitly stack

nosferatu1001 wrote:Same here....

Except now it doesnt stack from one librarian, as you can only cast the same power once per turn.

IG Advisors dont stack....only psychic powers (now) explicitly stack

This is a mute point, as multiple shardnets are not from the same model, but multiple models. Not sure about IG advisors as i don't know the wording of the rule. Wording as you know makes a big difference in debates.

jbunny wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Same here....

Except now it doesnt stack from one librarian, as you can only cast the same power once per turn.

IG Advisors dont stack....only psychic powers (now) explicitly stack

This is a mute point, as multiple shardnets are not from the same model, but multiple models. Not sure about IG advisors as i don't know the wording of the rule. Wording as you know makes a big difference in debates.

IG advisors don't stack because the latest FAQ says so;

Q. If you take two Astropaths or two Officers of
the Fleet, do their +1/-1 to reserve rolls stack?
A. No. The advantage of having multiples of these
Regimental Advisors is that you can still gain the
benefit of the Telepathic Relay/Intercept Reserves
rules should one Astropath/Officer of the Fleet be
killed. The confusion created by having so many
advisors simultaneously vying for a Commander’s
attention negates any potential benefit.

They didnt stack in any case, that FAQ didnt change that...