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JudgeShamgar wrote:You have to have some kind of heartlessness or you would not find any enjoyment in this as a hobby.

No I don't.

Heck I don't even like throwing away the lives of my IG soldiers, and that Chenkov is by far the worst piece of fluff in the IG codex, lol...

JudgeShamgar wrote:You know going in that some of your units will die.

I know my grandmother's going to die too. Everyone dies, it's a matter of trying to make the best of what's left of their lives. The main difference is the guardsmen have a job to do (and as their commander, it's my job to ensure they accomplish this objective as efficiently as possible, keeping them alive if at all possible) while my grandmother is long since retired, lol.

That's not heartless. There's a great amount of heart there.

Cryage wrote:The 3 images the OP posted, those are amazing models.

Then scrolling down, the bare thonged asses, high heels, and school girl lifted skirts... i rolled my eyes at those.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thouht as well.

People also like the backstreet boys, should we all of the sudden stop any criticism of their music just because other people like them?

I know people don't like it when you criticise their favorite company but geeze.

Jayden63 wrote:Why are we assuming that the sexy pose is their wartime pose?

Because of the models they're standing next to.

"I'm gonna stand here and thrust my hips out and flip my skirt up while my friends are all firing their weapons at the enemy!"

I'm getting the feeling that this boils down to people saying "I want them to make models that I want to buy and play with" and then the ones that like cheesecake are basically saying "no screw you I like the models they already have!"

Meh.

JudgeShamgar wrote:

Melissia wrote:"I'm gonna stand here and thrust my hips out and flip my skirt up while my friends are all firing their weapons at the enemy!"

I'm having a significant problem not making an off-color comment about your imaginary quote.

Yes, the model really is crap, isn't it?

dogma wrote:So, everyone is saying "I want them to make models that I want to buy and play with"?

Isn't that what Customers do?

Jayden63 wrote:But they aren't the only one posing.

...

Noooooooooo... reaaaaaaaaally... it almost feels like... *gasp* I ALREADY SAID THAT?!?!?

JudgeShamgar wrote:But people are already buying their models so....what does that say?

I didn't buy the models in question. They suck.

dogma wrote:Its a wargame. A fantasy. It predicated on rule of cool.

And only you are allowed to dictate what is cool, then?

JudgeShamgar wrote:Not you, you the individual but YOU as in people who buy the product. Someone must be buying these or the company would go under.

I am not under the ludicrous opinion that just because something is popular it must be good.

Mastiff wrote:They already make models that you want to buy and play with.

Except that they don't if I want to have a full army and play the game.

Especially if I want to have women in my army.

I'm not even sure that it's been softened really so much as they've explored it more and you can't keep exploring the same boring old "life sucks and then you die" without being, well, bored.

Mastiff wrote:[snip]

None of the above. I think that if they must do distasteful miniatures (such as cheesecake), especially ones that don't fit in with the rest of the army like these don't, they should also provide alternatives so that the buyer doesn't NEED to substitute.

Why should one be forced to buy from a different company just to play the first company's game without buying gak models?

ArbeitsSchu wrote:Why should one be forced to purchase exclusively from a single manufacturer to field a clearly generic figure?

Outside of GW you're not forced to. But again, why should I be restricted from complaining about the company's lack of ability to produce models to my taste?

They want my money, they make what I want to buy. If his offends you... sorry?

Wait, no I'm not-- I'm not sorry at all.

edit: .... Okay, so Iguess I'm going to put PhantomViper on ignore because he believes that stating one's opinion is the same as forcing it on someone else, which is a belief that so defies logic, intelligent thought, or reason that it makes me want to murder someone. This is not a pleasant fealing.

NAVARRO wrote:No my friend not only your not the only one but any seasoned war gamer or collector has embraced that many moons ago. Its the GW and FOW generation that cant seem to think outside those ridiculous boxes... A shame really because many give up wargaming without even knowing what wargames are all about.

I've looked through other catalogues, but my point still remains that it is the fault of the company that their miniature range is so limited.

gunslingerpro wrote:After reading the entire thread, I can say that I've never seen such a demand for pandering to one's specific tastes.

Why not? I am the customer. If they want my money, they give me something I want to buy.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:@Melissia - They clearly intend to create further miniatures. The other factions appear to have larger ranges, and I seem to recall someone saying that its a 'new" faction, so its not nonsensical to think that there might be a Naga sniper #2 or even #3 down the line.

Its hardly a "limited" line of figures though. There are quite a few to see, in a growing range. Or do you expect a company to immediately furnish you with a complete and whole range instantly for every faction as soon as they start trading? You struck me as more sensible than that.

I don't expect them to do it immediately, nor did I say I did. Only that it is a failing that needs to be corrected and that I wish they would give direct alternatives to the cheesecakse instead of making the only female in the unit a crappy cheesecake model.

MightyGodzilla wrote:FTR - I'm down with those pics I saw.It's definitely a great place to spend a little money.

The original post wasn't the one with objectionable parts.

There was a model posted, for example, of a girl who was bending over sticking her ass out with it covered in nothing more than a thong. It's really trashy and to me has no redeeming qualities. Same with the one of the girl in a see-through white shirt (including erect nipples) and ultra-mini catholic schoolgirl skirt taht was flipped up to show her panties. Also trashy.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Melissia wrote:Why should one be forced to buy from a different company just to play the first company's game without buying gak models?

Why feel you need to buy everything from a single manufacturer? There will always be models in any line that are not universally to everyone's tastes for a range of reasons.

I don't, but I still prefer to use models from the company that designed the game as a show of support (after all, I'm playing their game).

Dysartes wrote:Out of interest, would you be objecting to the shirt element of the latter model so much if the painter hadn't decided to use it as a test-bed for a translucent cloth effect?

If the hard nipple effect is part of the model instead of a paint job (I can't tell, but I'm guessing yes), then I would still dislike it, yes.

NAVARRO wrote:Thing is, this is the company that wants your money by offering you choices, download free or get paper Rbook with extras for a price, get models or use proxies, use the free army builter

And this is relevant, how?

(hint: it's not)

Those facts do nothing to change my opinions.

NAVARRO wrote:Its ok, just don't say they need to adapt menu to your tastes and that if they want your money they better have more options that fits your palate...

Why not?

There is nothing at all wrong with asking for different options.

The idea that it is wrong to complain is laughable.

And really, your analogy is pretty screwed up too, as most restaurants wouldn't like it if you, say, brought in your own salad to eat alongside the meal they cooked when they have a salad to provide. In fact, in some (if not many) places that'd get you kicked out.

NAVARRO wrote:[snip; restaurant analogy]

Really, to continue this, I have a far better analogy using he restaurant basis you used:

Imagine if you went to a restaurant ,and you ate their food and didn't really like a particular addition to their meals. So after you leave, you tell your friends/acquaintances that you don't like it and don't plan on eating there anymore-- unless they make additions their menu to match your tastes. Then one of your friends/acquaintances gets pissed off and starts going off on you, rabidly defending the restaurant in question, insulting you for your different taste in food.

That's what you and several other people in this thread are acting like to me. How DARE I dislike a certain model in the line and wish that they would produce something else, right?

I'm honestly flabbergasted that people get so insulting and downright mean just because not everyone likes the models they do.

Skippy wrote:you seem to want it gone instead.

That is, and always has been false, no matter how many times you try to lie about it.

So please, stop lying about what I have said. It is pissing me off.

I very specifically stated taht I don't want them gone, I want the company to produce an alternative, non-cheesecake model.

NAVARRO wrote:Wrong to complain? is that all you take from the post? read again please.

I did. That is the essence of what you are saying.

NAVARRO wrote:Others just want your money!

So does this company, last I checked they aren't non-profit.

NAVARRO wrote: CB gives you freebies and lets you go wild with their game/menu the least you could do is complain with some respect for their work and their workers.

Seriously, you're complaining that I might hurt their feelings or something?

NAVARRO wrote:I'm just a bit tired of saying to you the same thing over and over again, even with screwed analogies to try to reach you... You just don't seem to get it.

Or maybe you need to understand the fact that not everyone likes the same models you do and that insulting them isn't going to change this.

Meh, I admit, that was a huge wall of text and I'm not really in the mood to respond to most of it.

But this part in particular strikes me as odd:

Buzzsaw wrote:then what conceivable rational is there for them to spend quite a lot of money in an attempt to capture the business of the disgruntled few?

So because they disagree wtih you, they must be the "disgruntled few", huh?

The hips are still wider on the woman, the shoulders are broader on the man, and good armor MUST take this in to account (poorly fitting armor is almost worse than no armor at all in the long run). So with well designed armor you'll still have the subtle differences between males and females. It just won't be of the "omg boobs boobs boobs BOOBS!" variety of difference.

Kalamadea wrote:You are free to have your opinions, you are free to share them. But ramming them down people's throats for 14 pages is a whole different story.

So why are you doing that then?

And of course the media says that it only does taht because it sells.

MightyGodzilla wrote:See Corvus Belli listened to us. A Reverend Moira with no tushy sticking out.

Though by far not ideal (the outfit makes it something I'd still not want to use), that's certainly a better pose for her than "hey gaiz luk at mah azz!"

Beany10 wrote:

I think that this is the best female mini from Infinity because it looks like she is actually fighting instead of posing. The model is called a Halqa if you want to find a better picture.

I like those models.

puma713 wrote:Someone has mentioned the miniature companies' target market somewhere in these 16 pages, right?

"People with money who like wargaming" is my assumption.


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puma713 wrote:

Melissia wrote:that's certainly a better pose for her than "hey gaiz luk at mah azz!"

Wonder which pose sells more . .

I have no doubt which one will sell more given the most popular Infinity model. And very little faith in humanity.