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walkiflalka wrote:
Oh wow, he was using his BS to reduce scatter and also doesn't it say you deploy the scenery in you're own deployment area?


It looks like you should have a skim through the rule book before playing again. It's less a problem with tactics, and more a problem with neither you, nor your opponent knowing the actual rules which are designed to balance such encounters.


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No you deploy fortifications, which you have to buy for points, in your own deployment zone. The normal terrain should be equally spread over the whole table.

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walkiflalka wrote:
Oh wow, he was using his BS to reduce scatter and also doesn't it say you deploy the scenery in you're own deployment area?


If he can't see he can't reduce scatter.

Insist on placing terrain fairly and if he complains then don't use any at all.

Basilisks have a minimum range of 36". Get within that and he can't fire at you. Surely your board isn't that big.

Smart Missiles don't require LOS, use them to hit the side armour.

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The Basilisk can fire within the 36''. It just needs LOS which should draw it out into the open.

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Well, the easiest answer is to deep-strike teams with twin-linked-missile-pods and flamers.

Missiles should take care of a basilisk on a side volley, and flamers can be used to put some pressure on guardsman if there are no missile-worthy targets left.


If you play relatively smaller game and/or he plays enough BA to make his field dominance at deployment low you can try to infiltrate stealth suits near them-burst cannons can threat AV10 pretty good, and some drones to boot will make it even easier.


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Nevermind, folks, this is the answer:

Griddlelol wrote:neither you, nor your opponent knowing the actual rules which are designed to balance such encounters.

For whatever reason, basilisks have always been the most misunderstood unit in the entire game every time a new rules edition comes out. If your opponent is fudging them (on purpose or otherwise), then the first thing you've got to do is make sure that they're actually being used correctly.

Same is also true about other things. I'd go back over the terrain set-up part of the rulebook as well.


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 Griddlelol wrote:
walkiflalka wrote:
yeah but he just takes the big buildings and hides them behind, I literally can't get line of sight even with flyers sometimes. Is that legal? i mean the barrels of their guns are pointing at the walls of the buildings but he says because they don't need line of sight they can fire through it and he parks them in the very back of the field so i can't hit their rear armour.


That's totally legal. Although normally terrain placement (aside from fortifications) must be agreed on by both players. So you could say that you don't want that piece of terrain in that position.

The side armor is the same as the rear armor. He gains nothing from protecting the rear.

Deep strike. Seriously, that'll fix it all. They're AV:10 on the side, it's not hard to glance them. If you have something that can pen, they're open-topped, it's very easy to get an explode result with melta weapons. Surely tau have access to plenty of deep striking units. Once you shoot you can jump and hide from the rest of his army (I assume, I don't play tau) making it a pretty safe bet, and not suicidal like most deep strikers.
Weather the storm for one or two rounds of shooting. If you get 1st turn and night fighting, he won't even be able to shoot them since he can't target units >36" away.


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 Shadox wrote:
No you deploy fortifications, which you have to buy for points, in your own deployment zone. The normal terrain should be equally spread over the whole table.


No, Fortifications go in your table half. Not deployment zone. Terrain can go anywhere.

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Oh ok, that makes a huge difference, I might even get an aegis defense line to protect against it and a quad gun would add much needed air support


 
   
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walkiflalka wrote:
No, I'm not forgeting that they can deepstrike, but the way his army and the scenery is my battlseuits can not ussualy deepstrike without severe risk of mishap which I would rather not have happen.


Deepstrike within LOS of the Pathfinder fish, you get a reroll if the drop is bad.
   
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Ok,

A couple of misconceptions I noticed about Basilisks.

a) If you are within 36'' of it, it can only fire indirect
b) you never reduce scatter on an indirect shot
c) a direct hit is still a direct hit if fired indirectly

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Sounds an awful lot like your opponent is hosing you.

you first put down ALL the terrain on the board BEFORE you even roll for who gets which table half. He doesn't get to put the terrain down in his deployment zone to most benefit whatever list he has brought.

Second, if his Basilisks are hiding directly behind buildings or other things that block LOS then the shots are "Indirect" which means that he cannot subtract his BS from the scatter roll.

Third, You have tons of suits at your disposal. Why in the world are you not simply Deep Striking on him? For basilisks, it isn't like you need to be in 6" melta range. DS three suits anywhere within 36" where they have a side shot (If you have a fish, you can even Re-Roll the scatter!), and pop 6 TL str 7 missile pod shots off at him. BOOM dead artillery. Guard artilery should rarely be a problem for Tau.
   
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Yeah it was simply the terrain deployment issue, it should be fine now, I'll just make a squad of deathrains deepstrike within 36" and probably kill all 3 in a turn


 
   
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 BryllCream wrote:
He shouldn't be able to hide them completely. Consider changing the terrain set-up.


Thats what it sounds like to me too, we had a guy here that would play against noobs and he would always use the same 2 buildings.

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Cheesedoodler wrote:
Sounds an awful lot like your opponent is hosing you.

you first put down ALL the terrain on the board BEFORE you even roll for who gets which table half. He doesn't get to put the terrain down in his deployment zone to most benefit whatever list he has brought.

Second, if his Basilisks are hiding directly behind buildings or other things that block LOS then the shots are "Indirect" which means that he cannot subtract his BS from the scatter roll.

Third, You have tons of suits at your disposal. Why in the world are you not simply Deep Striking on him? For basilisks, it isn't like you need to be in 6" melta range. DS three suits anywhere within 36" where they have a side shot (If you have a fish, you can even Re-Roll the scatter!), and pop 6 TL str 7 missile pod shots off at him. BOOM dead artillery. Guard artilery should rarely be a problem for Tau.


Not true. The order is as follows:

1) Roll for Deployment Zones (pg.118)
2) Roll for Mission (pg. 118)
3) Set Up Fortifications (pg.120)
4) Roll for terrain (pg.120)
5) Set up Terrain (pg.120)
6) Place Primary Objectives (pg.129)
7) Determine Warlord Traits (pg.111)
8) Generate Psychic Powers (pg.142 / 418)
9) Roll for Night Fighting (pg.124)
10) Roll for Deploy Forces (pg.121)
11) Seize the Initiative (pg.122)

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If you want as well you could get a bastion and put a squad of broadsides up top. it should for the most part give you LOS over the whole board as well as give you access to a quad gun.

otherwise what everyone else said

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

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