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Oops my mistake I had the wrong points for sisko


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You know looking at your list again. Put martok on a generic vorcha, matah is not that good anyway, dump sisko. Take kirk you are shooting before everyone 9,9,8 yeah kirk is not that much without upgrades but shooting first in this scenario will be big.

I'd probably take Khan over Kirk (missiles drop to 3pts), drop the Quantum to Photon and take a generic Neg'Var.

EDIT- I think I'd rather have Sisko getting the free action once in a while. Otherwise, Martok is not worth it, and you might as well gear a list towards Kirk/Picard/Khan... which isn't the worst idea. You still have to pay the +1 for Khan to go on a ship though.

Martok would still be worth it. He can still pass out a free evade, or battle stations. Remember you have to enable the missiles. Reliant enables the missile martok gives them target lock and have a nice day. Also you have to pay the extra point if you put a none klingon on the ship.

-the wife is off today, play testing the month 2 OP, Your last list against the romulans will let you know how it goes.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 spyguyyoda wrote:


That's my inclination as well. The main thing that's holding me up is that one good round from the weapon platforms could also kill an expensive ship. I'm also not really feeling buying 4 more D-7s right now anyway.

Well if you can fight that urge for 2 more weeks you can buy 4 Ka' Tanga class instead. A little more expensive at 22 points, but more shields, hull, and attack. A more effective swarm ship. Or you could mix the 2 of them.


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3 Ka'Tangas and 2 D-7s will run you 92 so you have 8 points left. I say Gowron 4 & Nu'Daq 3. Leaves 1 point for klag shenanigans.

That's probably going to have to happen now, thanks!


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 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Martok would still be worth it. He can still pass out a free evade, or battle stations. Remember you have to enable the missiles. Reliant enables the missile martok gives them target lock and have a nice day. Also you have to pay the extra point if you put a none klingon on the ship.

-the wife is off today, play testing the month 2 OP, Your last list against the romulans will let you know how it goes.

Since Romulans are the faction I'd been planning on running, I have to say that that looks a solid list from my perspective. The idea of a very hard to kill ship kind of "kiting" the OWPs is a very good one. How did the testing go?

I wanted to get this idea down. What about if the Defiant was kiting the OWP? How would you need to construct the Defiant to do so? I think the below would work together well.

Vor'cha+ Martok

Defiant
Picard+Sulu
Cloaking Device+Quantum Torpedoes

Reliant
Terell+ Ferengi Missile Launchers

Martok gives Terell an action to keep him going. Picard can keep the Defiant flexible. At its best, the defiant will get 9 defense dice (2 base+4 cloak+2 Sulu+1 Terell).

Overkill? Firepower is pretty solid I think.

Ok so we played out the month 2 OP yesterday. We had about 2 hours while the kids took a nap. Sorry no time for pics but I will give you the gist.
Litst A
Maht-H'A
Martok

Defiant (using a proxy)
Picard
Sulu
Quantum Torpedoes

Reliant
Sisko (using a proxy)
Missile Launchers

List B
30 valdor
4 donatra
3 counter attack
3 interphase generator

30 khazara
4 toreth
4 (3+1) ferengi missile launcher
3 interphase generator

12 science vessel
2 (1+1) sar
5 (4+1) ferengi em pulse

So we set up along a 6 inch strip along the side of the table, leaving most of the table vacant of any activity. We evenly placed the wreckage tokens, basically just how it looks on the example from wizkids. It was really a jousting match down the side. The highlight was one turn 2 the Science Vessel hit the defiant with the EM pulse, then the Khazara & Valdor focused fire and took it out. The next 4 turns was just the science vessel throwing around EM pulses and the 4 bigger ships circling around the middle doing one or 2 damage here and there. Turn 6 I lost the science vessel. Turn 9 the Reliant went down. Turn 10 combined fire from the Ma’tah and the weapon platform took out the Khazara. We had had to call it them, kids getting up. It was just the Valdor and the Ma’Tah left romulans win 67 to 60.

I really don’t like the scenario. We basically played it as a joust down the side, so only one of the platforms was ever shooting at us. The platform never did more than 1 damage to a ship in any turn, but if anyone flies outside of the strip there will be 2-3 of them shooting so it could mount up. The scenario gets boring after turn 3 because ships just circle or do “come abouts” along the strip. I was happy with the science vessel, it did its job blocking the platform and throwing around EM pulses. The defiant was a little disappointing, without the cloak it seemed really easy for two big ships to gang up on it. With only 3 hull, once the shields are down it is very vulnerable. Reliant is still money in the bank, and I think Sisko is a perfect captain for it, especially with the ferengi missiles.

As for my list I like it, but am not sold yet. I don’t care for the low captain skills or the low rate of fire power in the Romulan choices. I have some ideas on how to tweak the list, but it is getting late and I need some sleep. I have a 4 year old that will be up at 7:30 am, so night all

Thanks for the report!

What do you think of putting the cloak on the Defiant? I think you still want torpedoes on the defiant to take advantage of the rear firing arc- you have a limited area to move, and want to maximize every approach.

The cloak doesn't cost much, a fully loaded Picard Defiant costs about 43 pts. It's the federation ship that can get the most defense dice. Even if it can't get an action, you can still plan ahead to get at least 7.

I think the best build for this OP may be the three Klingon ship build... just focus firing on one ship at a time.


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Although, you could use Antimatter mines. Might work in the scenario.

Gordash wrote:
What do you think of putting the cloak on the Defiant? I think you still want torpedoes on the defiant to take advantage of the rear firing arc- you have a limited area to move, and want to maximize every approach.

The cloak doesn't cost much, a fully loaded Picard Defiant costs about 43 pts. It's the federation ship that can get the most defense dice. Even if it can't get an action, you can still plan ahead to get at least 7.

I think the best build for this OP may be the three Klingon ship build... just focus firing on one ship at a time.


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Although, you could use Antimatter mines. Might work in the scenario.

Yeah you can't really go wrong with a 3 Klingon fatty build.
The cloaking device will help a lot as long as you can squeez it in.


You know the mines will really screw with people in this scenario. I never really thought about them before. Just make sure you don't fly into them yourself

So, I've been thinking about the possibility of putting Picard on the Valdore or the D'Deridex. I think in this scenario, I want the rear firing arcs, so that I can get another round of shooting post-fly by, and the Enterprise-D is too vulnerable and difficult to maneuver. The Valdore and the D'Deridex don't have rear firing arcs, and I'm going to either have to do a come about, or turn around and potentially get out of formation.

Plus, Picard+Sulu on a Valdore/D'Deridex is STILL going to run me 41 pts. That's 41 pts with no Torpedoes, but with twice as many hull points. It's a very difficult decision.

What do you think? Defiant 43 pt build, or Valdore 41 pt build?

It would look like this

Vorcha Martok 31

Valdore+Picard+Sulu 41

Reliant+Terell+FML 25

3 pts left over. I'd probably put a Tactical Officer on the Valdore.

I'm gonna try to get some test games in tomorrow night to see which one is better.

I'd say play test both out a few times, each has an advantage. Valdor very maneuverable + hull points, but potential for maximum damage with quantum torpedoes. With picard as captain there is the potential to fire those things every turn on the defiant. The defiant would have sulu and a cloaking device so that is a lot of dice. So play it out a few times see which holds up better.

Baldrick- I assume you want to play a Romulan build. What about Cloaked mines? They drop in the planning phase and don't take an action. They also don't hit your ships, only enemy. You could do something like the following:

30 valdor
4 donatra
3 counter attack
Cloaked Mines

30 khazara
4 toreth
Cloaked Mines
3 interphase generator

12 science vessel
2 (1+1) sar
Cloaked Mines