Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 djones520 wrote:
Academic Freedom? What the hell is that? My kids kindergarten teacher flat out told us that it would be illegal for her to assign my son extra work to keep him occupied (he would finish to early, and then his 5 year oldness would get him into trouble), becaue it wasn't in the curriculum.

Wow that's stupid... If they can work ahead of the crowd they should be allowed to continue and supported through that; not dragged back because one kid has forgotten how to take his fingers out of his nose again.

How hard is it to fire a teacher with tenure in California?

Exhibit A Mark Berndt



He was blindfolding kids and feeding them semen laced cookies. He was also molesting them and placing roaches on their faces. He was freeballing in short shorts like so he could easily expose himself to his kids. He was convicted on 23 counts. So far 123 victims have sued or settled with the school district.

LAUSD could not fire him. Instead they had to bribe him with $40,000 to retire with a pension of nearly $4,000 per month and health care because it would be too long and difficult of a process to fire him.

Sound about right.

As crazy as it sounds, this was an idea championed by Republicans and Conservatives a while back for eliminating tenure as it is.

 WarOne wrote:
Sound about right.

As crazy as it sounds, this was an idea championed by Republicans and Conservatives a while back for eliminating tenure as it is.

Not that crazy since those groups and the teacher's unions have not gotten on well for some time. There are Dems that aren't keen on it either, but it is hard to run as a Dem without the Teacher's Union support, or actively against them.

Tenure may have been worthy when there was a king who could cut your head off. Now, no.

 Ahtman wrote:

 WarOne wrote:
Sound about right.

As crazy as it sounds, this was an idea championed by Republicans and Conservatives a while back for eliminating tenure as it is.

Not that crazy since those groups and the teacher's unions have not gotten on well for some time. There are Dems that aren't keen on it either, but it is hard to run as a Dem without the Teacher's Union support, or actively against them.

It's not hard to win a primary as a dem when the teachers unions runs attack ads against you, it's impossible.

 Frazzled wrote:
Tenure may have been worthy when there was a king who could cut your head off. Now, no.

I'd think that people concerned about growing government power would embrace a practice that helps to insulates researches and experts from being unduly influenced by said growing government power

The mob can crush your rights just as easily as the king.

 djones520 wrote:
Academic Freedom? What the hell is that? My kids kindergarten teacher flat out told us that it would be illegal for her to assign my son extra work to keep him occupied (he would finish to early, and then his 5 year oldness would get him into trouble), becaue it wasn't in the curriculum.

Unless there are some really jacked up state laws where you're at, your kid's teacher is completely full of crap.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Tenure may have been worthy when there was a king who could cut your head off. Now, no.

I'd think that people concerned about growing government power would embrace a practice that helps to insulates researches and experts from being unduly influenced by said growing government power

The mob can crush your rights just as easily as the king.

Nope, don't care about 'em. They're not doing anything special and the govenrment can't touch any more than anyone else.

Considering how we treat Whistleblowers ont he national stage, I think tenure in Academia is needed now more than ever.

Of course, what University is going to hire a tenured professor when they can get an Associate Professor "free-lancer" for much less cost, fewer benefits, and a contract that has to be renegotiated all the time.

K-12 I'm ambivalent about. I can see why we might need to protect teachers from parents with an axe to grind when their kid doesn't get a good grade.

An associate professor usually already has tenure.

Non-tenure track academic jobs are usually adjunct professors, instructors, and lecturers.

 Easy E wrote:
Of course, what University is going to hire a tenured professor when they can get an Associate Professor "free-lancer" for much less cost, fewer benefits, and a contract that has to be renegotiated all the time.

The ones that want to be able to say they have a prestigious academic on their faculty, and not as a part time freelancer, but a committed full time member.

 Easy E wrote:

K-12 I'm ambivalent about. I can see why we might need to protect teachers from parents with an axe to grind when their kid doesn't get a good grade.

 djones520 wrote:
Academic Freedom? What the hell is that? My kids kindergarten teacher flat out told us that it would be illegal for her to assign my son extra work to keep him occupied (he would finish to early, and then his 5 year oldness would get him into trouble), becaue it wasn't in the curriculum.

Why not assign your kid the extra work yourself?

 dogma wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Academic Freedom? What the hell is that? My kids kindergarten teacher flat out told us that it would be illegal for her to assign my son extra work to keep him occupied (he would finish to early, and then his 5 year oldness would get him into trouble), becaue it wasn't in the curriculum.

Why not assign your kid the extra work yourself?

Freedom indeed.

 Hordini wrote:
An associate professor usually already has tenure.

Non-tenure track academic jobs are usually adjunct professors, instructors, and lecturers.

Thank you. I messed up my terminology.

Two questions.
1. CA or US constitution?
2. What amendment?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Two questions.
1. CA or US constitution?
2. What amendment?

CA constitution. It was changed to basicly say the same thing as brown v board of education. Everyone has the right to a good education.

America still has a constitution? Wow.

Oh. California. lol. wooops.