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Lobukia, how many dragoons are you using in that math hammer?

Because their is no way you are getting a full 6 man squad of these guys into CC.

Useing a more consertative 3 man squad I only kill like 3 MEQ on the charge according to my math

If it's $50 USD for one of thow 45 point modles, I'd hate to see what they are going to be in CAD.....

I was hopeing these were going to be around $36 CAD a pop like the sentinels. Unless it turns out it's 2 of thows walkers per box, i'm not sure if I would ever consider them in a army personally.....

drbored wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Old rumor from Natfka:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The new faction is in fact Ad Mech, Skitarii. As far as I know this is still a ways out, but who knows. There is only troops and elites, with vehicles. Mostly foot soldiers, guys with spider legs, and a couple tank/spider hybrids.

There is also a Dragoon which looks to be a dual kit with a rider on top of a bipedal machine. It has legs similar to the IG sentinels, but has a grafted human in the center of the machine. I am not as fluent in the background with the skitarii as I would like to comment much more.

That is from Dec. I think that gives us an idea of what is to come.

Good catch.

Looking at the data sheets, both the Vanguard and Rangers are Troops.
The melee Ironstrider is a Fast Attack, and the ranged Ironstrider is a Heavy Support.

That leaves the 'couple tank/spider hybrids' along with the 'guys with spider legs' with at least one of those being in the Elite section, according to the description.

We saw the big Onager, that's probably the kit that's 'as big as an Imperial Knight' that is a duel kit.

So the only thing we haven't seen are the 'guys with spider legs'.

Could be that we only get two more kits, though between those and the one's we have so far, it looks like it could make a grand 8 different units, which isn't too shabby, and there might still be a spider-legged HQ hiding in there somewhere too.

I'm pretty excited to see more! This week preorders for the Rangers/Vanguard and the Ironstriders will go up, and next week we my see more of that Onager and whatever else it makes! I'm super stoked for the spider-legged dudes, it's pretty much all that I've wanted in a 40k kit.

I wounder if any of the new 40k units and weapons for the Ad-Mec will show up in forgeworld's 30k mechanicus army.

I know some people were wondering about the mechanicus units showing up in 40k, but I feel we won't since forgeworld dosen't seem to be rushing to give the Imperial Guard the Imperial Army units. But bringing thows platic units into 30k would really flush out the mechanicus army in a jiffy.

migooo wrote:
I honestly doubt we will get 40k robots considering they were frowned upon during the Great Crusade because of some past war with sentient machines or something.

That's why the Kaban machine was heretical because it could think.

To me you wouldn't have the robots from 30k stomping around in 40k due to the loss of tech.

To me a 40k "robot" should just be a very augmented Servator sort of like what we see on the new dragoon/iron strider.

I wouldn't expect much outside the tanks to show up in 40k ad mec

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:


The heads are entirely different between units. You may not care if your units look different, but I appreciate the variety.

You'd rather have different heads than proper unit upgrades? How about instead of 26 heads we have 20 to satisfy people like you, and use the extra space for 2 or 3 more special weapons for people like me?

I was never expecting 3 of each special weapon, but I was VERY disappointed we didn't at least get 2 of each.

 Leth wrote:
Wow, people have gotten spoiled recently. back in my day you had to buy a seperate metal blister that contained two guys, one with the special weapon you wanted and one you didnt.

I would be ok with this, instead of haveing to buy 3 boxes just to build 1 squad. The other options is if they were to put out a specail weapon pack like they did for plasmas and Meltas.

The Current way you have to get thows options is alot less ideal. I don't want to have to spend $150 on one squad to get all the options I need.

 Leth wrote:

you could simply use extra parts from elsewhere to make the "optimal" build for the unit.

Were am I supose to find extra Arc Rifles and Plasma Calivers? You might be able to convert Transuranic Arquebus from the Hochland Long Rifles in fantasy since they come in a couple of kits. But the new oval bases these special weapons go on makes it hard to convert properly ATM. I don't want to "count-as" plasma Rifles, and their is nothing in the rang that looks remotely like a arc rifle to me.

 Leth wrote:

Honestly it is so easy to just find another gun that is similar and just use that for all of them. heresy era grav guns are perfect for the arc rifles. Plasma guns work for the plasma calivers, so on and so forth. Heck, I might just trade mine away since people will be clamoring to get the official bit for some reason.

The Grav Gun looks nothing like the Arc Rifle, and I use them already in other armies for the guns their supose to be already, and I don't want to count-as Plasma Rifles as Plasma Calivers as I said.

I would like to be able to modle my units correctly, with out having to sacrifice aesthetics.

drbored wrote:
Yeah, what's with all the surprise?

Isn't this what bit stores on E-Bay, kitbashing, converting, and even casting your own are for?

It's nothing we haven't done for a long, long time.

Not to mention, these are going to be your basic troops. I know a lot of people are probably trying to find a way to make Skitarii cheap allies to get some of the bigger stuff into their forces by making one box into two 5-man squads, but realistically, the Rangers and Vanguard bring a lot of deadly fire to the army, and so you're probably going to get more than one or two boxes anyway.

Games Workshop has been going out of their way to kill off these operations with their trade terms, and thus reducing supply, well the demand is still quite high. So the secondary bits market have inflated alot in the last few years. But Games Workshop Refuses to adress the fact they have created a demand they refuse to fillfull.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Well, bits sellers have been deliberately squeezed by GW's revisions to their trade terms because they can't stand the fact that people aren't buying whole kits to purchase one bit. Kitbashing is only an option if the bits exist to be bashed together, and not everyone (remember, GW's apparently want to be selling to kiddies) may have the necessary skill, or, as in my case, desire, to hack bits around to make something which may not ultimately sufficiently resemble the intended item for an opponent to recognise at tabletop distance. Recasting your own is of dubious legality in many territories, and more labour intensive than kitbashing.

So, no, it isn't what those things are for.

If GW had any way of listening to their customers at large, they'd understand that multiples of special weapons etc has been a recurrent wish for almost as long as there's been plastic kits, and we wouldn't have to have done them for a long, long time. I'd go so far as to say I see someone express the desire for more of the relevant weaponry on sprue almost every time a new kit is released, I can't ever recall anyone lamenting a lack of heads.

At least in the days when we had to buy the metal guys separately, we could buy the ones we wanted.

Have a Exalt.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:


The heads are entirely different between units. You may not care if your units look different, but I appreciate the variety.

You'd rather have different heads than proper unit upgrades? How about instead of 26 heads we have 20 to satisfy people like you, and use the extra space for 2 or 3 more special weapons for people like me?

I was never expecting 3 of each special weapon, but I was VERY disappointed we didn't at least get 2 of each.

But there's not been a Sprue where we have had 2 of each weapon. Possibly the Space wolf but that was just multiples of the same one.

I think even Devistators only had one of each.

The absolute closest that immediately springs to mind is the Sternguard Veteran sprue which gives you 2 of each combi-weapon.

Devastator Squad. You get 2 Plasma Cannons, 2 Heavy Bolters, and 2 Lascannon. You only get 1 Missile launcher and 1 Multimelta thow, and it's a pet peve of mine you don't two two of thows also in the kit.

I also get two flamers and two grenade Launchers in 10 man Guardsmen Kits. (You use to get FOUR of them in the old 20 man gaurdsmen boxs before they repacked them into 10 man boxes!)

I get 3 of each Heavy Weapon Option in 3 man IG heavy weapon team boxes.

I also feel orc boys get a honourable mention. You get one of each special weapon in Ork Boy boxs, reflecting the one special weapon per 10 boys in the codex.

Like I said, I was hopeing for at least two of each weapon per box. The Billion Heads is cool and everything for converting, but I would of rather got more special weapons per box. It's been the most disappointing part of this release for me.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't get why two of each weapon is okay but one of each isn't. Either way you don't have enough to do the full 3. If there was 2 of each you'd still complain that there wasn't enough (general you).

And it's not still worth complaining about, really. Clearly nothing's going to change.

I don't get why people are upset we got one of each weapon, when the box could of had none.

 BrookM wrote:
Looks rather generic, though I'll reserve final judgement until I see it in more detail. But as is right now, it's a tower with an overblown plasma blastgun on it.

The only thing it had going for it right now I guess is how huge it is compared to the guardsmen.

 notprop wrote:
Liking he codex but I'm a bit disappointed by the fact that Skitarii don't have access to standard Imperim kit from other armies. I'm thinking transports like Rhinos/chimera would have been a easy fit and a good excuse for some Red tanks.

Would have made for a bit more variation.

I hope any full AdMech codex has this covered.

Do to the close range nature of the vanguard skitarii guns, I'd rather they had drop pods lol

Feels fitting for cyborg shock troops.

Allying them with the 6 fast attack slot blood angel army will be popular since you can buy empty transports with fast attack slots in blood angels.

 Accolade wrote:
Wait, am I to understand that the $50 Imperial Knights codex is looking to be replaced little more than one year later? Please tell me I am misinterpreting that.

It appears so.

The way things get updated in gw hq, it feels like plating forge world hh is the cheapest army to play in the long run. at least your not replacing book every 6 months.

The new robots look so gak! XD

Not unsaveabl bad, but prety bad. The power fists look cool, but the other weapon option and the heads look horrific.

Still think the Robots look terrible. But they might give me a reason to get some of the zealot assault droids.

http://www.zealotminiatures.co.uk/shop.php#!/M2-Assault-Droid-Variants/p/26884410/category=8326656

The new robots look about the right size for these guys to work as stand-in's.

nudibranch wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Thows Robots look terrible. Thow they might give me a reason to get some of the zealot assault droids.

http://www.zealotminiatures.co.uk/shop.php#!/M2-Assault-Droid-Variants/p/26884410/category=8326656

The new robots look about the right size for these guys to work as stand-in's.

At £45 a pop, that going to be an expensive unit...

With GW priceing, I got a feeling they are going to be a pricey unit anyway. =P

But thinking now, It would actully be cheaper to use the new plastic 15mm leviathan's. lol

I'm hesitent to use the castellax as stand-ins for them. Because these new guys look quite abit taller.

I will say too, after getting over my shock of seeing the new robots. All the other new stuff looks ace, and really digging it.

In all honesty these robots have been the 1st ad-mec unit I really didn't like. Witch is to bad because I love the FW robots.

 ultimentra wrote:
I like everything but the heads of the robots. Totally fixable with Anvil's not-centurions range.

anvil dose not centurions? I must of missed that. =O

The heavy blaster they get have almost the same stating as the mauler bolt cannons the fw guys get. So you wouldn't even need to try converting the weapons on the beautiful fw guys.

Also the point of the power fists is swinging at i2 with s10.

I do love the data smith model that comes with the robots I have to say.

I love the tracked guys. Great looking models and a lot of conversation potential.

If you were to fill in the visor so the "head" just looks like one large glass dome, and paint it so. I think it would actully make the modle look better. Someone want to do that edit? lol

 Medium of Death wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
If you were to fill in the visor so the "head" just looks like one large glass dome, and paint it so. I think it would actully make the modle look better. Someone want to do that edit? lol

Spoiler:

Really quick edit, hope this is what you were after.

Nice. I was in the process of doing one but seeing as you did this I knocked this up instead.

Spoiler:

I think removing the visor section greatly improves the model imho.

yah, that one change suddenly made me stop hateing the way that model looks.


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 HGChamberlainIV wrote:
There! I fixed it...

it's mic the TV!


Now someone needs to put max headroom in the visor....

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It's just something someone drew and threw on Deviant Art.

If fan art based off some descriptions given in some novels.

 Clang wrote:
With some chaotic mutation, those Kataphrons will make great counts-as Obliterators.

The track units alone will be awesome for converting everything from Loyalist Thunder Fire Cannons to Chaos Hades Autocannon Rapiers.

The Heavy Arc Rifles can be cut down to get more Arc Rifles into the hands of skitarii.

18 points for a guardsmen stat line. Ah gee. I was looking forward to these guys. But rules wise they are looking like the 1st true dud unit of all these ad mec units.

Why dose the plastic hq costs as much as the forge world version.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
Why dose the plastic hq costs as much as the forge world version.

Isn't the FW Dominus actually cheaper? (without shipping)

Yah it is. But since shipping is calculated by percent of purchase you might as well include it. The only way you don't pay it is by buying at a event or Warhammer world.

If it was two years ago when the CAD was stronger tho, it would of been cheaper even with shipping.

 RedFox wrote:

 MetalOxide wrote:
I'm tempted to build some Dark Mechanicus allies for my Chaos force now.

I personally plan to build some some Dark Mechanicus Cultists for my Iron Warriors army using a mix of Cultists and Skitarii left over bitz....might add some mechanized amrs & legs bitz from some 3rd party, any recommendation ?

Anvil's regiments bionic limbs.

 Wilson wrote:

 JHall wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
Agreed, loving the mods people are coming out with.

Heres mine as of last night;

What are the heads in your modification from? I love the smaller domes!

All answered on here pal;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/649756.page

Very nice. One of the nicer conversations with the head.