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 DarknessEternal wrote:
It's oft overlooked these days, but the reason Mortarion got stuck in the warp to begin the long temptation of Nurgle's Rot was because by that time he'd realized his mistake and was going to attack Horus' fleet as soon as they dropped back into real space.

Nurgle told Typhus about that, so Typhus killed the Navigators.

Source on that? Sounds epic.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It's oft overlooked these days, but the reason Mortarion got stuck in the warp to begin the long temptation of Nurgle's Rot was because by that time he'd realized his mistake and was going to attack Horus' fleet as soon as they dropped back into real space.

Nurgle told Typhus about that, so Typhus killed the Navigators.

Magnus is the little Emperor though. He truly believes his poo doesn't stink and that he can do no wrong. He was completely sure that he controlled all powers of chaos and that it could never influence him. Anything that ever went wrong was "not his fault".

Perturabo just didn't like warfare. He didn't like his job and took it as a personal affront that he had to keep doing it. He wasn't as mistreated as he liked to think, he merely convinced himself of that. He didn't understand that there were other Primarchs who felt that way and that they were only acting out of a sense of duty. He was too stubborn to be anyone's friend enough to figure out it wasn't just him doing the hard jobs. Look no further than his praetorian guard for evidence. Even Angron had brothers in arms, Perturabo built robots.

ADB's works make it clear Angron never connected with any of his "sons" and allowed his legion to turn themselves into barely controlled berserkers.

Even Kharn, his equerry, had barely any real connection to Angron.

I have mixed feelings about Perturabo. He obviously never wanted to be a soldier but didn't go through any of the horrific stuff Angron did. He did have an isolated childhood, constantly exposed to warp terrors, understanding from the very beginning he's basically a living weapon and little else.

I interpret Perturabo's immoral actions as being his realization and then inability to internalize the fact that he was never designed to be anything more than a killing machine. I think his decimation and brutal tactics was to show that he had no real connection with warfare and his strategies were due to the fact he was conducting war in a way that worked mostly in theory and was totally devoid of genuine inspiration or interest.

Though I will concede that he (behind Fulgrim) is probably the least sympathetic Primarch IMO.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

ADB's works make it clear Angron never connected with any of his "sons" and allowed his legion to turn themselves into barely controlled berserkers.

Angron's brothers were the gladiators from his home planet. He never forgave the Emperor for stealing him away from them. Perturabo didn't even have that. He had no one ever, and it was always be his own choice. He's an emo spoiled child.


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 BlaxicanX wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
It's oft overlooked these days, but the reason Mortarion got stuck in the warp to begin the long temptation of Nurgle's Rot was because by that time he'd realized his mistake and was going to attack Horus' fleet as soon as they dropped back into real space.

Nurgle told Typhus about that, so Typhus killed the Navigators.

Source on that? Sounds epic.

White Dwarf from the early 90s. Like I said, no one would remember.

 DarknessEternal wrote:


Perturabo just didn't like warfare. He didn't like his job and took it as a personal affront that he had to keep doing it. He wasn't as mistreated as he liked to think, he merely convinced himself of that. He didn't understand that there were other Primarchs who felt that way and that they were only acting out of a sense of duty. He was too stubborn to be anyone's friend enough to figure out it wasn't just him doing the hard jobs. Look no further than his praetorian guard for evidence. Even Angron had brothers in arms, Perturabo built robots.

While the fact that he wasnt exactly the most sociable person is true, he was certainly mistreated by both the public and his brother primarchs. Perturabo wasnt so much angry at the fact that he got all the hard jobs, its that he completed them with little if any recognition. The iron warriors legion was the workhorse that was taken for granted and ridiculed for their intensive labors, hard fought victories and extreme losses. To add insult to injury, Perturabo never shouldve been a soldier in the first place.
All in all, hes sort of like that kid in your algebra class whose parents always pushed him to be better and better, but never thought he was good enough, all the while when he actually wanted to be an artist.

 Jollydevil wrote:
While the fact that he wasnt exactly the most sociable person is true, he was certainly mistreated by both the public and his brother primarchs. Perturabo wasnt so much angry at the fact that he got all the hard jobs, its that he completed them with little if any recognition.

I'm sure Perturabo didn't give his brothers a very good first impression of himself when he, right at the very beginning, ordered thousands of his own soldiers killed for sport.
Perturabo is a deluded maniac. He's right up there with Cruze and Angron, while admittedly being way more usefull than both of them.

I think that Mortarian's reasoning is the most contrived. He hates psychics and the warp due to his upbringing but has little problem throwing in his lot with Horus and the traitors. By Moloch, he is actively using warp sorcery for some reason. Even more stupid, the only reason he serves Nurgle is because he was forced into it. There's no Nobel fall here. No tragic story. Instead we get a Deus ex machina turning him fully to Nurgle. His is easily the hardest fall to explain because the writers never figured a good reason .

 Jollydevil wrote:
While the fact that he wasnt exactly the most sociable person is true, he was certainly mistreated by both the public and his brother primarchs. Perturabo wasnt so much angry at the fact that he got all the hard jobs, its that he completed them with little if any recognition.

He got exactly as much recognition as everyone else, save Horus, more than some, like Corax, Jagatai, or Alpharius. Perturabo just considered it a personal slight on his character because he was petulant.

All of the Primarchs were mistreated. Perturabo just kept crying about it like he was the only one.

 buddha wrote:
I think that Mortarian's reasoning is the most contrived. He hates psychics and the warp due to his upbringing but has little problem throwing in his lot with Horus and the traitors. By Moloch, he is actively using warp sorcery for some reason. Even more stupid, the only reason he serves Nurgle is because he was forced into it. There's no Nobel fall here. No tragic story. Instead we get a Deus ex machina turning him fully to Nurgle. His is easily the hardest fall to explain because the writers never figured a good reason .

It's important to remember that basically everyone who wasn't a word Bearer, Horus, Alpha Legion, or Fulgrim had no real idea of what chaos was or all the evil sorcery they would become enslaved to.

Mortarion deserted because he felt the Emperor was a tyrant and he never trusted him to begin with. Mortarion was so disturbed by all the chaos gak he was noticing and Horus' general megalomania that he was going to betray Horus if Typhus didn't strand the legion in the warp.

He's certainly not noble but you need to keep in mind he has possibly the least development of any primarch.

The Death Guard have only one Horus Heresy book and a handful of short stories. In Flight of the Eisenstein he was shown to be actually somewhat compassionate, refusing to kill Garro and his men though they would obviously never join him.

Mortarion, unlike Perturabo, Fulgrim, and Angron joined the Heresy because he genuinely thought he was doing the right thing. He's probably the most tragic primarch (if the old fluff about betraying Horus stands) since he actually realized he was doing the wrong thing and ultimately ended up a true slave to darkness because of that.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Jollydevil wrote:
While the fact that he wasnt exactly the most sociable person is true, he was certainly mistreated by both the public and his brother primarchs. Perturabo wasnt so much angry at the fact that he got all the hard jobs, its that he completed them with little if any recognition.

He got exactly as much recognition as everyone else, save Horus, more than some, like Corax, Jagatai, or Alpharius. Perturabo just considered it a personal slight on his character because he was petulant.

All of the Primarchs were mistreated. Perturabo just kept crying about it like he was the only one.

The Iron Warriors certainly got less recognition than many of the other legions. The book where most of the insights on Perturabo come from explicitly states that they were never given any parades, honors, or otherwise, and were only depicted once in any form of artwork, and even then only in the background. The reason why the Iron Warriors hate the Fists so much is because the Fists were given all of the things the Warriors werent (IE all those mentioned previously), even when the Iron Warriors did all the work.