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LethalShade wrote:So basically my tech-adept heretical chapter can use a lot of 30k OP-please-nerf things ?

And how good is a Mk IV helmet compared to a Mk VII one ? (I assume Mk VIII armors use Mk VII helmets).

Er, I think you have misinterpreted the original post- it is describing which 40k plastic models can be used in 30k, not which 30k stuff can be used in 40k (which is mostly everything anyway, see Imperial Armour Volume 2, 2nd Edition).

I suspect MkVII helmets are worse than MkIV, but far easier to mass produce, and perhaps with a better respirator as some Marines were beginning to use that kind of respirator with MkIV armour. May also have slightly better protection as making small modifications to the designs to eliminate design faults (like the collar in MkVIII) was something that happened through most of the Mks.

Zuul wrote:I thought MK VIII had to have the helmet redesigned due to the collar shape and as a result was not backwards comparable with older helmet designs.

Yeah, this was the older fluff, but has been sort of retconned by the current GW MkVIII models which are fully compatible with the normal helmets. I think they have just enlarged the collar so that normal helmets will fit in model terms. From a modelling perspective, it is a sensible retcon as it allows more options for kit-bashing and making unique models.

 Haighus wrote:

LethalShade wrote:So basically my tech-adept heretical chapter can use a lot of 30k OP-please-nerf things ?

And how good is a Mk IV helmet compared to a Mk VII one ? (I assume Mk VIII armors use Mk VII helmets).

Er, I think you have misinterpreted the original post- it is describing which 40k plastic models can be used in 30k, not which 30k stuff can be used in 40k (which is mostly everything anyway, see Imperial Armour Volume 2, 2nd Edition).

Yeah, I misread.

Ok, so does anyone with access to Book 6 have any snippets of information about the equipment in the original post? Any info is welcome

The only pieces of 40k SM tech that isn't in the Heresy that I know of are the Centurion, Stormraven, Stalker/Hunter, Aquila and Errant Power Armor, and Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armor

Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armor was entering use by the late great crusade. Seen the Iron hands' gorgon terminators?

The Terminator armour entry in both Betrayal and the Crusade Army List book says: "Several different Terminator armour patterns were developed roughly concurrently during the latter decades of the Great Crusade, including the Indomitus, Tartaros and Saturnine patterns, most of which were functionally identical."

Gorgons wear Gorgon pattern, which is a heavily modified variant of Indomitus developed by Ferrus Mannus.

Regarding Book 6, I don't know if there's any related art, but the description of the Pariah Bolter in the rules section is: "Though it grieves those inducted into the mysteries of the machine, some Blackshields have learned to strip the iconic bolter of its casing and any extraneous fittings in order to make it easier to handle during the fury of a charge or the tumult of a Zone Mortalis engagement."

I find this interesting as I've long wondered if the Umbra pattern was originally meant to be a stripped down 'wartime economy' bolter, as the armour concept sketches in WD129 showed the MkIV & VII holding 'cased' bolters whilst the MkV & VI were holding the 'uncased' RTB01/Umbra pattern. (cased/uncased as in the decorative bit you paint red/black/white instead of gunmetal, not shell casings)

Oh well guess I'm wrong then, just have never seen Indomitus armor in any fluff or marine from the heresy and patterns like the Tartaros are described as being cutting edge.

The Indomitus pattern is represented in the current FW fluff in their HH books, and was very losely represented in older fluff (more by there not being anything saying it wasn't the current suits, and the Mk V helmet having a respirator based on a Terminator armour spin-off. Only Indomitus has a similar respirator so far). Currently not represented properly in model form, and not in the art work.
I was more thinking of specific items of wargear (like the plastic missile launcher or meltagun). See the front page for most of the examples. These are things which definitely existed in some form in the Heresy, but I'm not sure if the patterns in common use in the 41st Millennium were in use then. Essentially boils down to what plastic stuff can be used without issue in a 30k army.

The stuff about Pariah bolters is very interesting, I wonder if FW will release a specific weapon pack for them, or whether Umbra pattern boltguns are the expected kit to use.

About the Storm Bolter... the Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider has a Storm Bolter... so it looks like Storm Bolters existed in 30K....

I never realized that man-portable Plasma Cannons were retconned to be Heresy Era. I always thought that was a pretty cool distinction between Chaos and loyalist in 2nd edition, besides the plasmagun/pistol variants where Imperial was safer with no chance of overheating.

 Haighus wrote:

jareddm wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Marine portable Plasma Cannons and Multi-meltas. You will notice these weapons did not exist during the Heresy, it also explains why the CSM codex doesn't have these options.

Both plasma cannons and multi-meltas are available to Legion Heavy Support Squads in the Horus Heresy. The post-heresy invention of both has gone the way of the Mk2 helmet that doesn't rotate.

This is what I thought. There is also evidence for plasma pistols in the pattern common in 40k (Sunfury pattern) being used by 30k forces, so it seems odd that there wouldn't be the plasma cannon variant (Comet pattern) of that type of plasma weaponry. I have never seen the fluff for portable plasma cannons and multi-meltas being post-Heresy before though, it may be referring to specifically the Comet and Ultima pattern weapons commonly used by 40k Devastators being designed post-Heresy now.

It does make a convenient excuse for why Chaos doesn't use them, which FW has now retconned as a reason though.

It was originally in the 2nd edition Codex: Chaos; heavy plasma guns were restricted to vehicles, and multi-meltas were not present at all. In addition, storm bolters and assault cannon were also post-Heresy inventions; Chaos terminators made do with reaper autocannon and combi-bolters. The now-ubiquitous exploding plasma gun was originally introduced to Chaos armies as a precursor to the version used by Imperial (and Ork and Eldar) forces; the standard plasma weapons could fire every turn on low power, but if fired on high power had to spend a turn recharging. Chaos plasma weapons if fired on full power didn't need to wait a turn, but would instead explode if they jammed. IIRC, chaos heavy plasma guns fired multiple small blasts on full power instead of a single large blast.