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Yeah that makes sense, just figured I'd mention it . Sounds like we might finally see Adeptus Titanicus models later this month at AdeptiCon, so you should know soon whether it's too small a scale for you to match.
   
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I've been waiting for it to come back for a long time.

It's getting hard to save money to make cool new models when people keep making cool new models I need to buy :(

   
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Some new developments developing! going to be getting the light, medium and heavy mechs drawn up for Team Bushido. Here is a rough sketch for all 3 that I just got. Now he's going to go back and refine and finish up each one. I like how they're still kinda anime looking, but still big and bulky like a mech should be.



I'll post the finished pics when I get em

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Woah, those are a bit nuts. Very cool - will be interesting to see how they turn out.

   
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Yeah those are just rough sketches, the final art will be much more refined. Looking forward to see what he comes up with

   
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They look cool! That pic is making the thread scroll sideways like crazy, though
   
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Fixed the image size

I'm still really torn on the model scale. I have a feeling that if I really love the look of all the new mechs I'm gonna want to have big ones to play with. But the only way to make the game affordable at 30mm is to have more of an emphasis on troops or small drones. So now I've been wondering if maybe we could stick with 30mm, and the starter sets would have maybe 1 light mech and a little squadron of 3 drones?

   
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I really think a game called "Mechadrome" has to focus on mechs (not "troops"), but including smaller drones is a very cool idea! They'd need to be awesome, and have a well defined purpose in game (scouting for the slower mech - a la Tau markerlights maybe?). But I like that idea much better than troops
   
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Yeah I just think at 30mm the models will be so much cooler. Also I honestly don't think there's a lot of Mechadrome players out there right now, but there were a few that went all in for the first campaign and even if it's just a few I don't want them to feel like they're getting screwed if we suddenly change the scale and make their old models obsolete. I'd feel a little pissy if I were them. So I think adding in some smaller units to make some more affordable starter sets is the way to go.

but by troops I don't mean imperial guard guys with rifles or even sci fi armored guys like Infinity's minis.. troops would be guys in really heavy armor, at least the size of a GW terminator.. or probably more like these guys from Puppets War

So I'm thinking maying a starter set would be something like 2-3 armored guys or driods/drones, and 1 dreadnought-sized mech.

A shame they have to be expensive resin though.. I wish I could do them in real plastic but that's just not gonna happen unless I win the lottery :(

   
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I don't think I backed but I wanted too... can't remember what was going on at that time though. I think it may have been the price point at that time.

Does it help to reduce costs by doing a mix of resin and metal? I've noticed that larger resin vehicle kits tend to do a mix. Weapons, weapon mounts, turrets etc are metal while the initial frame/body is resin.

I think I flip flop between liking the aesthetics but most of future scifi games I have, are not as bulky mecha. But I can't really turn away from mecha. I mean robots, mecha!

I think you should do a homage to USA vs Japan Robot Battle, by having a USA MegaBot and Japan Kuratas. ^_^

 
   
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Yeah it wasn't really much of a game back then, and the prices were high but actually not high enough.. costs went through the roof when it came time for production, but I powered through it and get all the models done, but never had to the funds to keep going afterwards. I want to basically do a reboot now almost from the ground up. Even the models I did make will be getting redone and hopefully more posable, but still look the same in the end. The bodies are like all 1 piece right now so I'm going to have my sculptor chop them up a little so they will cast better. The mechs do actually have metal weapons, and I think that's what messed things up for me since I needed so many molds. Some of them were so big and clunky that resin was actually cheaper.

So what I'd like to do now is for each team there would be a main mech body, and then you apply different weapon combos for different types.. kinda like how warmachine uses the same body for a bunch of different warjacks. So there will be the one main body, and then I'd like to have more universal weapons so a lascannon always looks like a lascannon and there will be weapon sprues that can be shared among all of the other teams' mechs. And then I could also sell those weapon sprues separately too for folks that want more options.

Rules wise the game plays exactly the same as Blackwater Gulch, with the added rules for vehicles and heavy weapons. All my games use the same rules So you will have a pilot stat card and a mech stat card, you can put any pilot you want in any mech you want, so you can come up with cool combos based on a pilots skills and what a mech can do.

So I think what I'd do for a starter set is something like 1 mech with squad of 3 drones, so you would get a mech body with 1 weapon sprue either ranged or assault depending on the team. But buying a mech solo model you'd get both weapon sprues. Then I'd have team decks with different pilot and mech loadout cards.

Either way it's still a long ways off though. Lots of work to do Pretty much going to be doing it all on the side since BWG is the main focus right now.

   
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Here's some more refined concepts.. Team Bushido light mech and walker drone. Medium and heavy mechs coming soon




   
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Thinking aloud here.. still wondering about the format for the 2nd edition. If I do it just like BWG, we would have a rulebook, and 4 starter sets 1 for each of the 4 main teams. Terran Titans, Team Bushido, Nexus Guardians (bionics) and Redsand Raiders (martians). Each starter would be 1 light mech and 3 drones. At 30mm, everything would have to be resin and that means expensive. I think a starter set would be at least $35, probably more like $45, retail price anyway. At 15mm, the starter sets would contain just mechs, maybe 2 mediums and 3 lights, and would maybe cost around $30-$35.

I had another idea. I contacted Ludo Fact about doing this as a boxed game. Not a board game, something more like Runewars where it’s basically a 2 player starter set. This would include plastic pvc minis, but I told them right off the bat the detail needs to be at least Blood Rage level. And it would have full rules, tokens and pilot & arena cards. Could maybe also include some cardstock terrain or buildings made out of tuck boxes kind of like Infinity does. This would include the Terran Titans and Team Bushido, and then other factions would get separate starter sets as stretch goals, and different mechs sold separately. I wanted to check and see how going this route would be, since it would make the models more affordable, but I would only do it if they can achieve the level of detail I want. They’ve been making lots of nice minis lately so my fingers are crossed. Only worry is that it would have to be a KS campaign with a very high funding goal, likely $100k or close to it. I kinda think it would be tough to reach, but it could do well if the price is right. I would also have to do a LOT of work ahead of time for the KS to be successful, and that also means a lot of money, which is something I don’t really have. So, just gonna wait and see what they say. This whole project is a long way off anyway, like a KS late next year at the earliest.

   
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Didn't realize those last pics were just sketches Here is the final art for the Team Bushido Light mech and drone




   
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Looks interesting, might at least need renders for the campaign, though. Still following along here and would definitely back a new Mechadrome!
   
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Yes I won't do a KS without renders for at least what's included in the initial pledges. So that means with my spare change I have to update the Terran mechs, then come up with the cash to sculpt 3 other light mechs and 3 other drones. So it's gonna take a while to put it all together, but we'll get there

   
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So I’ve flipped and flopped and now I flipped back to the 15mm bandwagon again. It’s really gonna be the only way to go to keep mechs as the focus, and keep the game affordable. I’d still like to do 30mm models, but those will just be resin models that would be done separately.

I’m waiting on quotes from a couple of manufacturers, I’d like to try and do it as a boxed game / 2 player starter set kind of like Runewars. So the core box has everything you need to play, and then separately as stretch goals we’d try and do team sets for other races that match the strength of the teams in the starter set. But that will mean PVC models. I’m talking with Ludo Fact, they did the models for Blood Rage so I know they’re capable of having good detail in PVC.

The way the skirmish rules work is you have 3 character levels.. Heroes are leaders, henchmen are like the elite guys, and minions are wimpy cannon fodder that form small units of 2-3 models. So we can change that a bit for Mechadrome and have the heavies be the leaders, mediums be the henchmen and light mechs be the minions. So I think we’d probably have starter teams be something like 1 heavy, 2 mediums and 2 teams of light mechs, so 9 models in all. Size wise a light mech would be about the same size as an average 30mm figure, mediums ogre sized and heavies dreadnought sized. For the models I’m hoping to have different bodies for each team, but universal weapons that work with any mech of the same weight class for any team. I think that will help keep the costs down so we won’t need so many molds, and also make weapons easy to identify.

Was also thinking, if we can do it as a big boxed set, it could maybe include board tiles where each one is a different city block, and you can arrange them however you want so the arenas will always look different, and also a bunch of fold up tuck boxes that would have different building patterns on them, so you can have a small city to fight over. I think I saw Infinity does the same thing with boxes as buildings. Or would they be too flimsy?

   
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Got the art for the other 2 mechs, here is the Team Bushido medium mech (even though it says light on the pic) and the heavy mech




   
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They do look sweet
   
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More new concept art Here is the next team, the Nexus Guardians. They are a bionic race that lives on more hazardous planets. Their mechs will be more thin and agile, not as bulky as the Terran mechs.









Next on the list will be the martian tripod mechs for the Redsand Raiders


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Oh, and, I’ve been chatting with LudoFact about doing these models in PVC in a big boxed game. Since they did the Blood Rage minis, they’re the only ones I trust to (and know of that can) make high detailed PVC minis. The prices aren’t so bad, for 1000 copies of the stater set I would likely need a KS with a 50k funding goal though. But, it would be a boxed 2-player starter where you still need your own board and terrain, kinda like Runewars. There would just be 22 minis. Each team gets 3 drones, 6 light mechs, and 2 medium mechs. Plus a rulebook, dice, 2 decks of cards and a mini tape measure. Retail price would be like $75. KS price would be cheaper, but I still worry that’s a bit high for what you get. Stretch goals could make it a better value, but the only way to get the price lower would be to produce more than 1000 copies, but that also would crank up the funding goal a lot.

Anyway, just some stuff to think about right now. Still lots of planning. Would it be weird to have PVC models in the starter set(s), but metal models sold separately like for special character mechs? I don’t expect to need 1000 copies of them, but that’s pretty much the minimum I have to order for anything in PVC.

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I'm wondering how those would come out in PVC to be honest though! Will you be able to get a test sculpt and 3D print made (a representative one for each faction at least)?
   
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I still don't know if PVC is going to happen. Would be cool, and I'm still planning for that, but will be very expensive and I would want to at least get some models done ahead of time so backers can see what the final product will look like. Some campaigns do all 3D sculpts and can get away with it but I think it's better to at least try and show at least some of the real thing if I can. I'll see how it goes and if I can't make it work there's still good old fashioned metal & resin to fall back on.

But either way, these are just sketches for the sculptor to look at and take his inspiration from. Then it will be up to him to make some awesome looking models that can cast properly. The original terran light mech ended up a lot different than the original concept art


   
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Just had a new idea, if we could pull this off as a boxed game with PVC models…

Instead of trying to stick to specific teams’ mechs and tying them down to one team only, like I’ve been doing.. instead we switch things up a bit and have just “Terran mechs” or Bushido Mechs or Nexus Mechs, etc. Players will just choose whichever mechs they want for their teams, and each one will have different weapons and pilot abilities. There would be multiple copies of each model in the core box, so we would use those colored circle bases that you stick your model’s base into.. like some board games have been doing lately.

Each mech would still require 2 cards. You have your pilot card that lists the special skills that pilot has, and then your mech card that mostly just lists weapons. There would be team decks which are just the pilot cards, so you pick your pilots and assign each one a mech to use in the battle. The pilot decks would be included in the core set.

Then instead of having models packaged and sold based on the team, they would all be sold separately (aside from what’s in the core box). Like, you would just buy a “Terran Light Assault Mech” or a “Bushido Medium Support Mech”. Each would come with a couple of weapon options.

I think going this route, in time, it will allow players to build up more unique teams with lots of variety.. And even if you end up using a lot of the same mechs as your opponent, your pilot’s abilities will also make them play differently too. I’d also have a roster sheet for people that don’t like cards so much.

Even if we don’t do PVC, I think just giving pilots access to any mechs they want will still be a cooler and less restrictive way to go. But I think PVC is really the only option if we are going to have a 2 player starter set kind of thing, which I’d really love to be able to do… but it’s gonna come with a hefty tooling cost.

   
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What's cooking in your brain these days, Necros . Saw some nice BWG sculpts / updates on your FB page!
   
 
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