Aaranis wrote:
Hmm I think I'm going to use 2-3 Inquisitors as psychic defence. I could convert them to look like the Ordo Mechanicus (I think that's the name), they're cheap (55 stock) and provide nice powers. Terror looks nice to support a CC unit, as it prevents the target from firing in Overwatch. The power to auto-pass morale tests could be nice too, I think I'm going to use Greyfax near my precious units to deny better, and one Inquisitor on each side wherever they're needed. They also have access to some nice weaponry, I should really try this out.

Ravemastaj wrote:


Except you've simply compared 440pts to 110. Also, with everyone important getting -1 to hit after 12 inches, the close range nature of infiltrators becomes more of a boon than a liability. Think of it this way:

An eldar tank managed to survive your Laser Onagers, and only has a few wounds left. You infiltrated your dudes within 12 inches of the vehicle, and within 9 inches of one of his screening forces. If you managed to find a decent spot for 10 infiltrators, it gives you the opportunity to essentially Melta a tank and get locked in close combat with someone else. With 550pts of infiltrators, you can have one "melta" squad of 10, and 3 more 5 man squads to guarantee at least one charge goes off. Against eldar T3 and invul saves, the amount of damage you can put out at Str6 and taser goads is phenomenal. It also locks up their annoying infantry combos (characters turning their -3ap dakka into -4ap dakka is murder against any allied vehicles - their whole ARMY is a Wrath of Mars in that respect).

Other than that, I really just don't want to play Dakkabots if that's all we have. -1 to hit against all targets makes it virtually useless, and getting within 12in simply gets them charged by Tyranids, infantry, anybody. All they can do in this meta is sit in the back and miss with Cawl until he gets sniped out by mortal wounds. Then they just sit there doing nothing. It's pathetic.

the_scotsman wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
They are uncompetitive and pretty awful but are still better than destroyers

Man I did not see that at all lol. My grav/phosphor destroyers have always performed pretty OK. not as good as dakkastelans for the points obviously but they do more damage on average vs tanks with the grav guns and they fill troop slots/have obsec/can move.

Breachers are just....loathsome. The "T5-6, tons of wounds, no save" stat vehicle that they want to be targeting just doesn't exist.

 ph34r wrote:
Solid list. Mine is basically identical but one commander becomes a Primaris psyker, 1 or 2 less robots, no dragoons, and a bunch of Elysians plus Harker to buff the basilisks.

Suzuteo wrote:

 lash92 wrote:
I'm not quite sure if I should make the Graia my Warlord or just add a Guard battalion for the 5+/5+ CP gain and to let those Guardsman eat the first charges.

I am assuming by mass Skitarii, you mean an army with 600+ points of Vanguard in two Battalions and a Spearhead in support. You should have plenty of CP for such an army.

Iago40k wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Neutron lasers?

Yeah they might work depending on the opponent. In a tank heavy environment (without any invuls) they can work great. But there are not that many armies that field targets for them...at least thats my feeling.

Atm I think 10 Mars Taser Infiltrators could be the best solution. Can dish out mortal wounds with Wrath of Mars, great counter charge unit and with shroud psalm and +1 save stratagem they might survive one round out in the open. When taking as lucius they would be even tougher against -1 AP weapons...hmmm.

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
In regards to Robots vs Reapers, does the -1 to hit start to increase the apetite for Robots sans Crawl, favouring extra survivability and flexibility (with Robots dead you just have a 240pt Crawl helping a couple of Dunecrawlers with re-rolls) over the possibility of the Mars alpha strike?

 Yoda79 wrote:
Good luck wulfey.

The core Cawl 4 Robots 3 neutrons 2 basilisk has served me extremely good. After that you can try many different styles.

Celestine 250 =1*3-4 Dragoons

Or you can make the soup detachment with psychers for defence or offence. You can add plasma deep strike or my personal favorite ranger arqieb sniper and ratlings with snipers to spread all over out of deploy zone. I don't know the point changes but so far I have tried those combinations all good and nice. Up to your personal preference enjoy

Iago40k wrote:
Well this "not having scouts" issue is why I want to leave the AdMech gunline trail (or at least Mars and Cawl). So much investment just to secure the gunline. Scouts for antidrop, a screen thats only for dying...there has to be a better way with this ton of stratagems we have, 6 canticles and forgeworld dogmas. Plus: Havent seen anyone actually winning a tournament with this gunline. Best I came out was 6th place. And if thats my best with this I have to think of something else. Especially now with daemons and dropping mortarion/magnus/bloodletter bomb/whatever. a couple of scouts will not be the saving grace against that I think because they will just drop the first nurgling unit and have an opening on either side of the board. I can see a way out, which is accepting that everything gets charged or tied up almost always turn 1. One way out: Not doing Mars but going Metalica and using the WL trait efficiently.

Iago40k wrote:

 lash92 wrote:

I´m also not a big fan of the Cawlstar so I´m always open to new ideas. But I don´t really know if Metallica is the way to go. First of all the range on the WT is rather small so, depending on your army, many units won´t benefit at all from the trait. Secondly its kinda useless if playing against other shooting armies, so I would rather invest in some Guardsman and get +3CP for that Batallion.

I try to keep my army lists mono faction. There are reasons to take guard I know but the addition of imperial guard into an AdMech list has apparently not that much of an impact. Otherwise there would be a lot more AdMech lists winning tournaments with this style of list.
Therefore I am trying something else.

Stygies Battalion
TPE
TPE
Ranger
Ranger
Ranger
4 Dragoons
2 Balistarii

Mixed Battalion
TPD, Lucius, Solar Flare
TPE, Lucius
6 Destroyer with Grav/Flamer, Lucius
Vanguard, Graia
Vanguard, Graia
10 Infiltrator, Mars
4 Dakkastelans, Lucius

leaves me with 7 pts to spend (harhar). I think I will follow this "drop" army idea because I dont need a big screen for this list.

Sure there are other ideas that can be used such as boiling the stygies detachment down to an outrider and taking another lets say vanguard detachment with a cheap imperial guard HQ for the 5+ CP regain WL trait, putting in those infiltrators and some other elite unit plus a Culexus.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Iago40k wrote:
Well, Lucius bomb worked quite well against nids but as it always is, stupid close combat wrecks everything...plus my stupidity. Instead of getting my destroyers into CC I forgot to charge them and they were killed by a double shooting unit of hive guard...sadface. The usual problems occured as well: no psychic defense AND although there is a lot of dakka..there is not enough when facing dropping morti with a 3++...sooo back to list building.

Morty doesn't much appreciate six Wrathbots. That is our best answer to literally everything.

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:

Wulfey wrote:

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
Won 1st place with chaos daemons(new codex) 16ppl rtt. Fought admech game two. Easiest victory ever. Turn 1 I had 75% of the board rofl.

Poor admech ._.

Opponent lists weren't tryhard but It was my first time playing the codex daemons (or should I say Deepstrike daemons, because that's the main thing they got)

More proof that competitive imperium has 3 squads of scout marines. If you can't scout deploy, then deepstrike lists will eat you.

Or maybe we should be looking at an alternative to a one-trick pony list which only works if you can keep you opponent at arms length.

Suzuteo wrote:
They can deploy anywhere up to 9" from the enemy deployment zone.

Iago40k wrote: I am not sure if Bolters are the way to go. The damage output is pretty meh. With combat knives they can at least do some damage in melee.

Well since my inquisitor is basically a ranger with a different head and a boltpistol plus a chainsword I certainly would give my okay for those kind of scouts. But use different colours for them

Suzuteo wrote:
Inquisitors aren't that cheap in my opinion, not when you can get Primaris Pyskers for 46 points and Company Commanders for 30.

Anyhow, are we sure Knives and Bolt Pistols are the ideal setup?

gendoikari87 wrote:
so after a few games with pure guard, i can say manticore outperform Neutronagers easily. similar damage output, but can fire from out of line of sight and much better anti heavy infantry . wiped out a squad of five terminators with one manticore. not something even possible with a neutronager. the baneblade proved surprisingly a good replacement for the kastellans with its 10 heavy bolters. are they as good as 4 or 6 kastelans deluge of shots? no but they dot he job and the baneblade battlecannon and demolisher pull heavy anti tank duty. and the 4 point cannon fodder are extremely useful. RIP admech RIP

Suzuteo wrote:
OH. Well, if it counts enemy models, then we might as well go back to what we were theorizing in June and use Dominion squads. They actually pair well with Celestine...

Iago40k wrote:

Suzuteo wrote:
For some crazy reason, I thought the triangle symbol meant Fast Attack. xO

So... Imperium Soup Battalion with 1 Company Commander, 1 Primaris Psyker, 10 Scouts (divide into 2x5), 2x10 Guard?

why guard? And take three units of scouts. All daemon players wo think straight will take three nurglings and you will regret it.