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 darkcloak wrote:
Some of us actually do want to buy Drop Pods. In fact last night I was debating Rhinos vs Drop Pods for my Lamenters army. I guess that choice is made for me now isn't it?

No, since it's only unavailable in North America it's most likely just a reboxing to replace the old packaging.

 Ghaz wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Some of us actually do want to buy Drop Pods. In fact last night I was debating Rhinos vs Drop Pods for my Lamenters army. I guess that choice is made for me now isn't it?

No, since it's only unavailable in North America it's most likely just a reboxing to replace the old packaging.

Removes hat.

Well it pays to be prepared.

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm gonna hard disagree on those two subjects. I'll grant you intercessors look better than totally bare tactical marines, but tacticals are so wonderfully customizable at this point I can 100% forgive the proportions, while every 5 intercessors look identical to every other 5...unless you convert them with the more unique/interesting bits from the existing tactical squad kits. The Repulsive, Inceptor, Aggressor and Pot Belly Dreadnought sculpts are all hot ass with more in common with Centurions than anything else.

The aesthetics of those models is entirely subjective. If I'd had a little more forethought when I started collecting again at the beginning of 8th edition, I'd have nothing but Primaris ... and two squads of Centurions.

I feel like drop pods are a model that could just disappear and nobody would be the wiser, or would care.

Like, it almost literally doesn't do anything but confer deep strike [it also has a storm bolter and blocks LoS]. Even if it was good, it wouldn't need to be a model [especially such a large one].

It's the sort of thing that could easily, and should, be a stratagem, with no model component.

On the other hand Drop Pods could ditch the rule where disembarking units had to retain a 9" clearance from enemy models thereby giving Drop Pods a reason to come off the shelf. People always say, well x model sucks so let's do away with it and give x faction a better model, while in reality the only reason the model sits on the shelf is because the rules suck. Why do the rules suck? Because GW uses rules to drive model sales.

Saying Drop Pods have no reason to exist is silly. You could arbitrarily say that about any model and back it up with personal opinion but at the end of the day? Well. You get the point. Drop Pods do have a place in 40k, just as much as anything else. Primaris Marines included.

Unfortunately GW doesn't seem to see it that way.

Flying primaris drop pod confirmed!

Oldmarines being discontinued, confirmed, initiate the rite of hyperbole and internet panic-posting

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Oldmarines being discontinued, confirmed, initiate the rite of hyperbole and internet panic-posting

Puts tinfoil hat back on head.

I blame Brexit. Or maybe Brexit is helping? All I know is that if we let GW get away with this we're looking at worldwide economic collapse.

 darkcloak wrote:
I blame Brexit. Or maybe Brexit is helping? All I know is that if we let GW get away with this we're looking at worldwide economic collapse.

Don't worry, I heard Hasbro is buying the IP from Games Workshop. We will have fully-articulated Warhammer 40k action figures instead of miniatures from now on. The good news is that you won't have to paint your armies any more.

Dang, now how am i going to play with my 7 Drop pods and start them on the table in a line all painted Red with "MAGA" written on them list going to work now!

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Dang, now how am i going to play with my 7 Drop pods and start them on the table in a line all painted Red with "MAGA" written on them list going to work now!

"Make Armageddon Ghazghul's Already"?

That's pretty much hate speech.

 darkcloak wrote:
On the other hand Drop Pods could ditch the rule where disembarking units had to retain a 9" clearance from enemy models thereby giving Drop Pods a reason to come off the shelf. People always say, well x model sucks so let's do away with it and give x faction a better model, while in reality the only reason the model sits on the shelf is because the rules suck. Why do the rules suck? Because GW uses rules to drive model sales.

Saying Drop Pods have no reason to exist is silly. You could arbitrarily say that about any model and back it up with personal opinion but at the end of the day? Well. You get the point. Drop Pods do have a place in 40k, just as much as anything else. Primaris Marines included.

Unfortunately GW doesn't seem to see it that way.

It doesn't, because it doesn't move, basically doesn't shoot, and serves only to provide another unit with a one-time ability. Exactly what stratagems are for.

A Rhino does things, sort of, because it can move and re-load with more troops. A Drop Pod exclusively takes up space.

It could have theoretical use for permitting a T1 drop, like it used to, but to be honest, I think the gigantic drop pod model could and should be done away with and replace with a 1CP stratagem to place any [Chapter] Infantry unit in reserve and deploy them at the end of the movement phase via deep strike. In fact, there are already multiple stratagems, most factions have access to one, to some sort of similar effect; rendering them largely obsolete.

 darkcloak wrote:
On the other hand Drop Pods could ditch the rule where disembarking units had to retain a 9" clearance from enemy models thereby giving Drop Pods a reason to come off the shelf. People always say, well x model sucks so let's do away with it and give x faction a better model, while in reality the only reason the model sits on the shelf is because the rules suck.

Personally, I'd prefer the 9" remain, but instead Drop Pods should be allowed to bring units in Turn 1, regardless of the Tactical Reserves restriction. That (and a points drop) would make them playable over just using the Stratagem

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That would work too. I'd even take just the turn 1 drop and eat the points elsewhere.

 darkcloak wrote:
Why do the rules suck? Because GW uses rules to drive model sales.

Those damn overpowered ork vehicles and knight valients.

I've been considering turning my Drop pod into a terrain piece.

 darkcloak wrote:
Why do the rules suck? Because GW uses rules to drive model sales.

That's never actually been a thing. People keep claiming it, and GW keep releasing new models with crappy rules...

Saying Drop Pods have no reason to exist is silly.

It's really not. A model that has no purpose other than to represent the way that a given unit previously arrived onto the battlefield is largely pointless, certainly much more so than a model that can actually move around the board and do stuff. The original Drop Pod Assault rule didn't use a model for the drop pod at all... it just gave marine units the ability to Deep Strike. Adding in the model came later.

Of course, 'no reason to exist' is admittedly a slight exaggeration with Drop Pods, since they do serve as LOS and movement blockers, allowing you to somewhat funnel enemy troops around, and they have that always-impressive storm bolter that nobody every remembers to use... but only a slight one. It would have been much more valuable if the pod served as an open-topped bunker once it was on the table, and/or had heavier/more useful armament.

I actually like that idea. Drop Pods as deep striking mobile bunkers is neat, but it'd probably only be for Primaris Marines.

I don't think it would be very thematic to represent drop pod strikes with a stratagem. Like, what happens to the pod? It just vanishes? I kinda feel the same way about removing destroyed vehicles though so we may have different ideas about what is silly.

Models for spells exist.

And Drop Pods look dope.

Hey yeah!

AoS has cool models for spells! We have spells too! Where are our models? Probably being made right now as we speak from old Drop Pod kits and salty salty tears.

Did anyone else notice in this month’s WD the art for “Warhammer Adventures” had Primaris Marines arriving via drop-pod...? Could be artistic license, could be something else!?

The Newman wrote:
The Sternguard upgrade sprue is currently listed on the "last chance to buy" page. [/throwing fuel on the 'marines are getting squatted' fire]

Fortunately it's only the resin upgrades that are on last chance to buy. I don't know whey they are still around since the plastic Sternguard kit was released some years ago.

I made my pods from scratch anyway. No great loss if GW discontinues them.

Here's an outrageous theory for you, which is clearly 100% true. They're discontinuing the drop pod, and will be putting in a, "drop pod," army wide rule for marines, allowing them all to deepstrike in.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Here's an outrageous theory for you, which is clearly 100% true. They're discontinuing the drop pod, and will be putting in a, "drop pod," army wide rule for marines, allowing them all to deepstrike in.

Actually they really are just switching SKUs over to an 8th Edition box.

So yeah, the Space Marine Drop Pod is indeed gone forever. Thankfully we are getting an Adeptus Astartes Drop Pod replacement.

However if you really want, I'll rage post about how silly removing drop pods is...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
RAEG POST!!!!!!

I like the overall look of the drop pod (though the model is a pain), and I would hope they keep it - if they give the model some feature(s) that make it more valuable than simply using a 1CP strategem to deepstrike troops.

Something along the lines of:
- The model can be employed like a ruin or other building to provide models cover or protection of some sort
- The model has decent firepower to lay down some sort of covering fire from disembarking troops (it sort of has this, but it's a bit weak - maybe it can fire grenades at enemies when it arrives - like the old epic "deathblossom" drop pods?)
- Some sort of "blast" attack on arrive that scatters/harms/disorientates enemy troops on arrive (maybe a battleshock test of some sort with a modifier? Or perhaps the equivalent of vehicle smokescreens on the turn it arrives?)

And it needs to be able to hold squads of Oldmarines and Primaris, not just one type. Maybe options for bikes or a single dreadnought as well, instead of a completely separate model for the latter).

 darkcloak wrote:
Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

LOOL


this forum sometimes man

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I feel like drop pods are a model that could just disappear and nobody would be the wiser, or would care.

Like, it almost literally doesn't do anything but confer deep strike [it also has a storm bolter and blocks LoS]. Even if it was good, it wouldn't need to be a model [especially such a large one].

It's the sort of thing that could easily, and should, be a stratagem, with no model component.

I remember the joyous argu--vigorous discussions there used to be about whether you could/had to model them with working doors.
What happened if you modeled them with doors closed shut.
Not quite as much fun as template talk (my template covers your special weapon guy/nuh-uh, he's totally missed) but it was fun.

Used to be? Those argu... vigorous discussions were alive and well in YMDC very recently...

You know that it doesn't take much to convert marines into Chaos marines, maybe you should join Chaos Marines to keep your models useful?