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Skaven are the last army in Chaos that needs a big overhaul now that Slaanesh has had an epic series of updates.

That said for Skaven I think the difference is that instead of them needing new toys, they just need updated toys. They've a highly diverse and functional army and roster as-is. So I suspect that whilst it is important to update them to modern plastics, its not "as" important perhaps as it would be for smaller forces.

Well, Beasts of Chaos need a lot of model related love.

I know their are opinions on their rules, but I don’t know enough to weigh in there.

But models? Off the top of my head....Chaos Ogres, Trolls, Shaggoth, Jabberslythe, Centigors are all in dire need of an update. And I dare say the basic Gors themselves could do with a refresh.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Skaven haven’t had a lot of attention now I think about it. Certainly no new kits since the old world blew up, so far as I can recall.

Gnawholes, Endless Spells, & a rocket launcher rat.

Oh that’s true. Still not a huge amount when they’ve Finecast still in circulation.

 Ghaz wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
So what you're saying is that I'm right about Fimir alrrady being in AoS? Glad we cleared that up.

FYI - Those sources don't say anything at all about Fomoroids being different from Fimir. If chaos dwarves are called Dawi Zharr and non-chaos dwarves are called Duardin, and chaos Ogors are (strongly implied) to be Ogroids, then chaos Fimir can be called Fomoroids.

So if the Fimir are Fomorians, then why the use of two different names? Why two different backgrounds? Again, your insistence that they're the same race is not supported by what information we have at all, no matter how much you want to be 'right'.

Cchaos duardin aren't called duardin - they call them Dawi Zharr. Only some chaos ogors are called ogors (Dragon Ogors), others are referred to as Ogroids. You would think you would have already realized this since you literally quote-replied to the post that points this out. *eyeroll*

We can go a step further and point out that Trolls weren't all called Troggoths until around the time Gloomspite Gitz released - the Chaos Troll King for example did not change to Troggoth King until later for example - why the use of two different names? Why two different backgrounds? Now they are the same once again. Somewhat similarly, for a while gnoblars were called gutbuster grots just like how what are now gloomspite gitz were called moonclan grots. Moonclan grots became gitz, gutbuster grots became gnoblars again.

The fact of the matter is that, as others have already pointed out, Fimir in AoS have and will have a different background than they did in WHFB, with that they may well be renamed to Fomoroids too - that doesn't make them not Fimir. As I have pointed out, the use of names in AoS is and has been inconsistent for a long time now and things are very much still in flux as new factions are carved out of old ones and cross the rubicon-Age of Sigmaris, name changes are frequent and common, get used to it.

Ogroids are not Ogors, and Troggoths have been Troggoths since AoS came out.

Also, as has been mentioned, Fomoroids and Fimir both have established lore in Age of Sigmar that distinguish themselves between eachother.

I dont see why the name Fimir would be abandoned considering its one of the few concepts and names that really are original to GW

 Overread wrote:
Skaven are the last army in Chaos that needs a big overhaul now that Slaanesh has had an epic series of updates.

That said for Skaven I think the difference is that instead of them needing new toys, they just need updated toys. They've a highly diverse and functional army and roster as-is. So I suspect that whilst it is important to update them to modern plastics, its not "as" important perhaps as it would be for smaller forces.

I've love a plastic skyre acolyte kit.

Rihgu wrote:
Ogroids are not Ogors.

*citation needed. Ogroid fluff is pretty explicit that they were once part of Destruction but fell under the sway of chaos.

and Troggoths have been Troggoths since AoS came out

The Troll King was not, it stayed as the Troll King until Gloomspite Gitz was released - for some time the Troll King was a named character (Throgg the Troll King). It was made generic in a FAQ in late 2018/early 2019 when Gloomspite released and renamed Troggoth King.

Also, as has been mentioned, Fomoroids and Fimir both have established lore in Age of Sigmar that distinguish themselves between eachother.

Their "establsihed lore" is basically 5 or 6paragraphs total between the two (and thats possibly being a bit generous). Neither sides "established lore" precludes them from belonging to the same race. Fomoroids were once a race of builders now driven mad by chaos magic so they seek out only to destroy. Fimir are a race that hatch from eggs and live on a misty island in Ghyran, amongst other places. Thats about the extent of the lore we have, there is nothing to say that they aren't related or that the Fimir aren't refugees of the ancient Fomoroids who escaped the evils of chaos and Archaon, etc. GW has retconned far bigger and more developed aspects of the lore before, what makes you think this isn't one of them?

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I dont see why the name Fimir would be abandoned considering its one of the few concepts and names that really are original to GW

Apparently lots of folks are really really sensitive about a piece of lore written decades ago that most people haven't ever even read themselves.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Ogroids are not Ogors.

*citation needed. Ogroid fluff is pretty explicit that they were once part of Destruction but fell under the sway of chaos.

Okay, do I really need to cite that apples are not oranges? Ogroids have not only a different name but a different appearance from Ogors. There are Chaos Ogors that are not Ogroids.

and Troggoths have been Troggoths since AoS came out

The Troll King was not, it stayed as the Troll King until Gloomspite Gitz was released - for some time the Troll King was a named character (Throgg the Troll King). It was made generic in a FAQ in late 2018/early 2019 when Gloomspite released and renamed Troggoth King.

The one character who didn't really make it into AoS proper and is Legendsed as a generic? but every other Troll was re-typed to Troggoth?

Also, as has been mentioned, Fomoroids and Fimir both have established lore in Age of Sigmar that distinguish themselves between eachother.

Their "establsihed lore" is basically 5 or 6paragraphs total between the two (and thats possibly being a bit generous). Neither sides "established lore" precludes them from belonging to the same race. Fomoroids were once a race of builders now driven mad by chaos magic so they seek out only to destroy. Fimir are a race that hatch from eggs and live on a misty island in Ghyran, amongst other places. Thats about the extent of the lore we have, there is nothing to say that they aren't related or that the Fimir aren't refugees of the ancient Fomoroids who escaped the evils of chaos and Archaon, etc. GW has retconned far bigger and more developed aspects of the lore before, what makes you think this isn't one of them?

The fact that Fomoroids and Fimir look nothing alike besides both having a single eye is the major cue that they may be different. Why would the refugees of a race of builders be as destructive as their corrupted kin?

I have no horse in this race but I just had to point out that the Fimir were based on the Fomorians of Celtic mythology. Fomorian and Fomoroid are incredibly similar names. That's all I have to say on the subject.