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Voss wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
Spoiler:
Imperial guard units in it.


No, sadly it won't. They're going to keep the stupid faux-Latin 'Military Stars' name.


'Star Military'

Not to my understanding of Latin-
Astra is the plural form of the noun 'star' (astrum).
Militarum is generously a variation of militaris which is either an adjective 'military' or, as a noun, a singular soldier or military man. Which in this context, makes the adjective more likely, since we've already got a noun, and a plural one at that.

So either Military Stars or the even more absurd Stars Soldier (singular).


And at the end of the day we still pronounce it Imperial Guard.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Nah.

It's the Astra Militarum.

Real fans of the faction know that even with the name-change they explicitly made it so that "also called the Imperial Guard" was a thing.
   
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Like I said, we real fans still pronounce it Imperial Guard.
   
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Astra Militarum isn't Latin though... It's Imperial High Gothic, the rules for which have never been explained and are likely to be just a touch different! So basically they can make up whatever pseudo-Latin-y sounding thing they want and it works because its in a language that doesn't really exist.

Back to the OP, no rumours but I'm hoping that the Guard is made good, but not stupidly overpowered, and at least a new shiny tank or regiment to play with would be nice too.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
ccs wrote:

How exactly is it telling that a product that never did include even one HWT.... doesn't include one now? If you ever wanted (plastic) Cadian heavy weapons? You bought them separate from the infantry squads. Today is no different than before in that regard.

Spoiler:

This is why it's telling. The Brood Brothers boxes(last updated in 2019 FYI) contain HWTs...but the actual Cadian Guard Infantry Squads(done after the revised Brood Brothers boxes, with the Cadian head sprue) do not.

Spoiler:

There's also this. You'll note that it is not them including the full Heavy Weapons Squad. They just tossed a set of the HWT sprues in.

Likewise with the Krieg. They literally took the KT spues & just shoved them in a solo box. If Krieg specific HWT come? You can be assured that GW intends to sell them to you exactly as they have been doing with the Cadian ones....

You would have had a point...if they still sold the individual HWT sets.

They haven't done that for 10ish years now.


Yeah, dude, they didn't include the HWT in the box because they selll a perfectly good HWT kit already. How is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

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 RaptorusRex wrote:

Yeah, dude, they didn't include the HWT in the box because they sell a perfectly good HWT kit already. How is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?

How is it so hard for you to wrap your head around the fact that they literally did include the HWT in the box for the Brood Brothers repack? And then they continued selling that repacked set with updated rules, even giving it a new SKU in 2019?
Yet the Cadian Shock Troops set, which was released as a new SKU last year with the additional sprue(which added a Meltagun, Sniper Rifle, and Plasma Gun plus a Power Sword for the Sergeant)...did not get a HWT sprue set added to it.

Also, if you want to get snarky or try to get nitpicky? They don't sell a HWT box. They haven't in quite a few years. It was a lil' $16(initially $10) set that included one HWT.

They sell a Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad box and a Catachan Heavy Weapon Squad box.
"Squad". Not "Team".

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Voss wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Backspacehacker wrote:
So, take this with a grain of salt, but i have been hearing rumors that the next guard codex is going to have.
Spoiler:
Imperial guard units in it.

No, sadly it won't. They're going to keep the stupid faux-Latin 'Military Stars' name.

'Star Military'

Not to my understanding of Latin-
Astra is the plural form of the noun 'star' (astrum).
Militarum is generously a variation of militaris which is either an adjective 'military' or, as a noun, a singular soldier or military man. Which in this context, makes the adjective more likely, since we've already got a noun, and a plural one at that.
So either Military Stars or the even more absurd Stars Soldier (singular).


My (very limited) understanding of Latin was that its a flexible language in which word order can be adjusted freely without necessarily changing their meaning, etc and the words change their endings based on their position and role within the sentence, and context matters heavily in deciphering what is said, etc. In this case, the word order is seemingly irrelevant, and "militarum" is a non-standard ending based on what you said implying it might have a meaining different from the one you ascribed to it, perhaps "Army" or "Armed Force" or "Militia" etc. as opposed to "soldier. So on that basis, contextually, we can understand "Astra Militarum" as "Star Army" or "Star Militia" or however you want to translate it - in this case the context represents that of a galactic military organization.

As others said, its still pronounced "Imperial Guard" regardless.

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As far as the new tank being: "between a leman russ and a baneblade"... don't we already have that? Does no one remember the humble Malcador?

(granted, it's not exactly a super-effective unit... but come on!)

[edited because I can't spell]

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leerm02 wrote:
As far as the new tank being: "between a leman russ and a baneblade"... don't we already have that? Does no one remember the humble Malcador?

(granted, it's not exactly a super-effective unit... but come on!)

[edited because I can't spell]


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None of those are the reasons why.

The only bits known about the new tank are that it exists in the lore but doesn't currently have a model.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
None of those are the reasons why.

The only bits known about the new tank are that it exists in the lore but doesn't currently have a model.


The real reason why is because GW makes money mainly by selling models, and they will continue to produce new models even if they make limited sense within the context of existing models/lore or would render those existing models semi-redundant.

That being said, do we have a list of potential candidates of what the new tank is? If it exists in the lore but doesn't have a model I can't imagine that the list of named but never seen tanks is too long.

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Hmmmm....

Maybe a "Deathhammer"?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Deathhammer
   
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 Beaker07 wrote:
Any rumours on when a new Astra Militarum Codex might be available now that there are new models for the DKoK - I only have a few Cadian IG and wish to get more that will comply with the rules


A new Tyranid model has been teased for this year, so an Imperial Guard vs Tyranids set is a possibility. If thats the case then we ought to see their codices shortly aftwards.

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The thing that is between the size of a Baneblade and a Leman Russ is, in fact, a vehicle built from the same STC as a Baneblade...?

It's probably going to be some obscure piece from a Gaunt's Ghosts novel. Or the size might be a fakeout and include barrel length, which opens up the Destroyer Tank Hunter and its variants.
   
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While I am in no way disagreeing with you (I don't really think it IS the Deathhammer) It was this line that made me think it might work:

"Unfortunately, little else is known about the Deathhammer pattern in current Imperial records, save that it was considered somewhat inferior to the other two similar designs."

I'm thinking it could be something like a scaled down Baneblade, that simply doesn't work as well because it doesn't offer the same protection/firepower etc.

Again: I'm not saying that's what I think it is (obscure mentions in something like Guants Ghosts are also a good possibility) but I think it COULD be this seemingly mysterious tank.
   
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Yeeeeeah...that's not any real mention I know of. The fandom wiki is well-known for having its own "spin".
   
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It has been a while since I read the books, but unless the mention is in one of the newer entries all the Gaunt's Ghosts armor I can think of would be Leman Russ-sized or smaller. I could see it being a Ragnarok, what with it being a not!KV-2 which already has some design work done thanks to that World of Tanks crossover with an actual KV-2, but otherwise I'm not sure what it would be.

That said, it's a little insulting to GW to assume that they'd stoop to wordplay BS to justify a re-release of the Destroyer kit over giving us a new vehicle - feth knows, they've just been so creative in the new IG kits, and we've had so very many of them over the past five years, they wouldn't DARE pull a cheap trick like that on us!
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And I am being a little unfair there - the new stuff hasn't been garbage, it's just been a lot less than we've lost in the intervening time frame and I've grown jaded over the release schedule. Unless I've forgotten, the last vehicle we got was...actually a .pdf giving 8e rules to an (as far as I can tell) completely unmodified 30k kit. Not exactly inspiring confidence, that.

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Not a rumor, just speculation based on T'au book.

Kroot allow you to bring a shaper, krootox and hound unit without taking up a slot.

Maybe we'll get something like "for every 2 infantry squads, you can bring a platoon commander, command squad, special weapon squad and heavy weapon squad without taking up a detachment slot"
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
ccs wrote:

How exactly is it telling that a product that never did include even one HWT.... doesn't include one now? If you ever wanted (plastic) Cadian heavy weapons? You bought them separate from the infantry squads. Today is no different than before in that regard.

Spoiler:

This is why it's telling. The Brood Brothers boxes(last updated in 2019 FYI) contain HWTs...but the actual Cadian Guard Infantry Squads(done after the revised Brood Brothers boxes, with the Cadian head sprue) do not.

Spoiler:

There's also this. You'll note that it is not them including the full Heavy Weapons Squad. They just tossed a set of the HWT sprues in.

Likewise with the Krieg. They literally took the KT spues & just shoved them in a solo box. If Krieg specific HWT come? You can be assured that GW intends to sell them to you exactly as they have been doing with the Cadian ones....

You would have had a point...if they still sold the individual HWT sets.

They haven't done that for 10ish years now.


I'm telling you worst case HWT are removed from squads, but the HWS will still exist.

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It's been rumoured to be called the Rogal Dorn Battle Tank. Suppose to be between a Russ and Baneblade. Which is stupid, cause we already have the Malcador and Macharius, makes me a little scared at least one of them will be going to legends.

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Jarms48 wrote:

I'm telling you worst case HWT are removed from squads, but the HWS will still exist.

Nowhere, ever, have I said that HWS would cease to exist but okay try to score some points.

Continually I've suggested that Heavy Weapons Teams would be removed from Infantry Squads in favor of upping specials.


It's been rumoured to be called the Rogal Dorn Battle Tank. Suppose to be between a Russ and Baneblade. Which is stupid, cause we already have the Malcador and Macharius, makes me a little scared at least one of them will be going to legends.

Valrak is the only person to have called it the Rogal Dorn, just FYI.
   
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leerm02 wrote:
As far as the new tank being: "between a leman russ and a baneblade"... don't we already have that? Does no one remember the humble Malcador?

(granted, it's not exactly a super-effective unit... but come on!)

[edited because I can't spell]


FW has a Malcador. And yeah, I know, everyone who uses FW products says that FW=GW.

But if I could buy a platsic Malcador off the shelf in a GW or FLGS and get rules for it in the dex rather than in a second book that is more expensive than dexes and also couldn't be bought off the shelf? That would be ENTIRELY different than the way we currently "have a Malcador" - and I'd settle for that.

Happened with the Valkyrie.

Off course, new hotness could be fun too. Time will tell.
   
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So for fun I did some casual trawling through Lexicanum and there's also the Legionnes Astartes Kratos battle tank and Imperial Army Excertus tank.

Probably low chance on the Kratos since it's a mothballed Marine tank, but the Excertus could be an option.
   
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PenitentJake wrote:
leerm02 wrote:
As far as the new tank being: "between a leman russ and a baneblade"... don't we already have that? Does no one remember the humble Malcador?

(granted, it's not exactly a super-effective unit... but come on!)

[edited because I can't spell]


FW has a Malcador. And yeah, I know, everyone who uses FW products says that FW=GW.

But if I could buy a platsic Malcador off the shelf in a GW or FLGS and get rules for it in the dex rather than in a second book that is more expensive than dexes and also couldn't be bought off the shelf? That would be ENTIRELY different than the way we currently "have a Malcador" - and I'd settle for that.

Happened with the Valkyrie.

Off course, new hotness could be fun too. Time will tell.


I own 5 Malcadors in resin, would prefer Macharius in plastic over the Malcador (particularly as the Macharius molds have a lot of issues and the kit suffers as a result).

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 Ravajaxe wrote:
I'm also a bit worried that my traditionnal infantry builds would be rendered impossible, by a foreseeable removal of heavy weapons teams from line squads. No heavy weapons in the box = no heavy weapon option. Though for now all I have are sets of three that could easily go into dedicated heavy weapons squads. However to do this we need some sort of boosts to these squads : a 5 point reduction would be nice, and a return of heavy weapon platoons would definitely be needed. It always feels backwards to me that many IG tanks are fieldable by squadrons of up to 3 per heavy support (or fast attack slot) but a much weaker HWS consumes a valuable HS slot for each small squad. They sould make it the other way around : tanks single selections and HWS platoon selections.


I concur! Have an exalt! I truly believe that it should be the other way around. Here is to hoping that they bring back combined squads!

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SYKOJAK wrote:

I concur! Have an exalt! I truly believe that it should be the other way around. Here is to hoping that they bring back combined squads!

No thanks. It's a stratagem. It shouldn't be a "standard thing".

If you want big squads? Go Conscripts.
   
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Looking at the context there, Kan, I'm pretty sure what was meant was buying multiple HWS as one HS choice, as opposed one one HWS being a HS choice while a squadron of Leman Russ MBTs are also one HS choice.

Didn't look like they were discussing combining Infantry Squads together.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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That's part of what Ravajax was saying, yes.

My point still remains:
If people want big squads? No thanks. Platoons were a blight and I cannot stress enough how happy I was to have them gone.
   
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Huh.

I have never seen anyone, not even people who hated playing against guard and wanted them nerfed to hell and back, suggest that removing platoons did anything but absolutely wreck the army.

Weird day.

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Platoons would be meaningless in 9th, they served a purpose when the FOC limited your ability to field enough units to properly play the army, but the way detachments work now makes that largely irrelevant outside of whatever limitations rule of 3 might impose.

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