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9th edition, I think?

 Starbase804 wrote:

Breton wrote:

 Starbase804 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

Breton wrote:
In theory there are 4 different rules locations you can acquire:
3) Big Hardcover with lots of "Fluff" as the backstory is often called in the Leviathan box.

Leviathan rule book has the Crusade campaign rules in it, which the main big book doesn't. Get the Leviathan cards too, if you go that route.
People who are selling that book probably bought 2x of the Leviathan box, and have 2 rulebooks and 2 sets of cards, shifting one of each.

what are the cards?

A deck of mission building cards -

A half dozen or so of Board Dimensions - i,.e Set up This way (across, diagonal, long board edge), Objectives here, then pick sides.
Primary Mission Rules - Take And Hold, Explore the Whole Board, Kill the Warlord type stuff.
Secondary Mission Rules
A couple gambit cards for each player (Last Ditch chance to win)
A bunch of mission modifier rules - i.e. No Effect, Low Visibility, Comms Interference (with assorted different effects on that battle - this helps change up the same mission over and over as its no longer the same mission after being modified)

You take a Board Dimension, a Primary Mission, Secondary Mission(s), and modifiers to create the final mission set.


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 Insectum7 wrote:

Breton wrote:

1) Sisters aren't in a great place, but if you're in it for the long term and you like them go for it.

Sisters seem like a prime candidate for allying in a Knight of some sort to help bolster their capabilities.

Meh, you're limited to one and one of almost anything can die fast. Its got Distraction Carnifex potential if you can/will add a bunch of other vehicles like their special Predator, the Epic Inquisitor and such.

So what are these?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083P6K5P9?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

That is a deck of Datasheet Cards (as opposed to mission cards) - First things first, those cards are for the previous edition. The current version is https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/index-cards-adepta-sororitas-2023-eng?queryID=d6a5ed50f36975a9eb32abaa35107319 - but they're likely to be changed when the codex releases (So I might hold off).

Datasheet cards will have all the unit entries from your codex in easily referenced cards (i.e. the theory is you pull out the cards for the units (Cannoness, Battle Sisters, Rhino, Seraphim, etc) in your current army for reference during the game whereas the Mission Cards build the mission you play.

Edit to Add: The Mission Cards people are talking about look like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/134871333945?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=134871333945&targetid=4580840333842788&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=603247655&mkgroupid=1235852063340218&rlsatarget=pla-4580840333842788&abcId=9316139&merchantid=51291&msclkid=fd32d9d8c83c182155bfbc05201bf2ac

 Starbase804 wrote:
Would it be worth starting with Kill Team or would I just be having to learn all over if I wanted to play full 40k?

KT is 100% a different game.
If you want to learn to play 40k, then, imo, it' wouldn't do you any good to learn KT.
Just go with the game you want to play.

Oh. And about those cards you found? They're useless in this edition.
Go window shopping on GWs site - they'll only show you stuff for the current edition. Then after you know what your looking for ? Then you go shopping on Amazon etc to save $.

 Starbase804 wrote:
Hi all, wasn't sure where to post this. I used to play a bit in the 80's but then life happened and stopped, find myself with free time now and want to give it another go. Tried Warmachine a few years ago but didn't get on with it and moved away from my friend who played. 75% sure I want to try 40k as that was new when I stopped playing and never tried it but AoS and LOTR is kinda appealing. I've got a boat load of questions so really want to know which forum I should post them.

My 2 cents, having read the lore for each, assembled and painted armies for all three game systems, 40k, AOS, and LOTR ("Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game" or "MESBG" these days), and played games in all three systems:

If you are mostly into the building and painting models aspect of the hobby, then I would suggest focusing on AOS or 40k. I think AOS has a bit better model design these days, but both have great looking (but expensive!) models. LOTR/MESBG mostly uses older, smaller-scale models from the early 2000's.

If you are mostly into the lore aspect of the game, it's hard to beat the original Hobbit/LOTR books as they are the foundation of classic fantasy settings. I enjoy the lore of 40k quite a bit (up until the recent return of the Primarchs), but could not get into the AOS backstory (I've tried several times . . .).

If you are mostly into the gaming aspect of the hobby, then the LOTR/MESBG game is much, much better than both AOS and 40k these days. Intuitive rules that are not overly complex or filled with needless "bloat," strategic opportunities in all phases of the game, and overall fantastic balance. I would rank current AOS gameplay 2nd of the three games (still far behind LOTR/MESBG), and current 40k last. I've found LOTR/MESBG games much more enjoyable for all players involved. It's a classic, well-designed game system that has only been gradually improved upon over the decades (like Blood Bowl, GW's actual best game), and not continuously scrapped and reset every three years as with 40k and AOS.

The main issue with LOTR/MESBG these days is dwindling GW support and a player base that cannot match 40k (or even AOS in most areas). LOTR/MESBG seems much more popular in Australia, New Zealand, and the UK than in the US these days, but areas vary.

ok, another question. with the combat patrol I see it's good value but is there an issue with unit sizes later when building it up as in the Arco's are 3 in the box, whats a usual unit size? How does it work when buying another box, do you end up with wasted models? Same for the repentia. The battle sisters come with 10 so no problem there it seems.

For unit sizes, get the index cards from Warcom's website. The unit compositions are on the 2nd part/back of the index cards in the 40k downloads page, as others have mentioned.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000-downloads/
You're looking for the 'Adepta Sororitas' of course.

Combat Patrol downloads are further down the page, as their index cards are different to the 40k ones, having their unit options totally locked down. "Combat Patrol: Adepta Sororitas – The Penitent Host"

 Starbase804 wrote:
ok, another question. with the combat patrol I see it's good value but is there an issue with unit sizes later when building it up as in the Arco's are 3 in the box, whats a usual unit size? How does it work when buying another box, do you end up with wasted models? Same for the repentia. The battle sisters come with 10 so no problem there it seems.

Well, according to the pts doc field manual you either pay for a squad of 3, or a squad of 10.
And they normally come in a box of 10.

I've never seen a SoB player in real life field less than 10 when they use them.

 Starbase804 wrote:
ok, another question. with the combat patrol I see it's good value but is there an issue with unit sizes later when building it up as in the Arco's are 3 in the box, whats a usual unit size? How does it work when buying another box, do you end up with wasted models? Same for the repentia. The battle sisters come with 10 so no problem there it seems.

This is an oddity with the edition change. In prior editions you paid per model, so sometimes you would use a smaller size unit and generally have spares. GW relaunched sisters with a monopose set that was kind of a sampler of models you could use later before they released the full kit. The combat patrol is basically that set repackaged, so its got some of those awkwardly sized units that are still legal but were always a little awkward and are now definitely hard to use.

 Starbase804 wrote:


Managed to pick up a new leviathan book on eBay for £20 with the delivery so happy with that. I think with the painting it's knowing what colours to pick up to be able to accomplish what I want, enough to get the job done but not too many where I waste money and have too many options. I'd like to do something like this but a bit less silvery, kinda like a nod to the Minbari colours in B5.

I've been waffling over what I've wanted to paint my sisters for ages, I really like this scheme, I LOVE the inspiration for it, and it's pretty similar to my paint style. I might have to steal it.

 Tawnis wrote:

 Starbase804 wrote:


Managed to pick up a new leviathan book on eBay for £20 with the delivery so happy with that. I think with the painting it's knowing what colours to pick up to be able to accomplish what I want, enough to get the job done but not too many where I waste money and have too many options. I'd like to do something like this but a bit less silvery, kinda like a nod to the Minbari colours in B5.

I've been waffling over what I've wanted to paint my sisters for ages, I really like this scheme, I LOVE the inspiration for it, and it's pretty similar to my paint style. I might have to steal it.

better hope we never meet on the battlefield, lol.


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 LunarSol wrote:

 Starbase804 wrote:
ok, another question. with the combat patrol I see it's good value but is there an issue with unit sizes later when building it up as in the Arco's are 3 in the box, whats a usual unit size? How does it work when buying another box, do you end up with wasted models? Same for the repentia. The battle sisters come with 10 so no problem there it seems.

This is an oddity with the edition change. In prior editions you paid per model, so sometimes you would use a smaller size unit and generally have spares. GW relaunched sisters with a monopose set that was kind of a sampler of models you could use later before they released the full kit. The combat patrol is basically that set repackaged, so its got some of those awkwardly sized units that are still legal but were always a little awkward and are now definitely hard to use.

I guess it's something you can work around but as a new player with few minis it kinda leaves you in an odd place and no options to buy a box that'll build up to a full unit without having left overs.


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 Gnarlly wrote:

 Starbase804 wrote:
Hi all, wasn't sure where to post this. I used to play a bit in the 80's but then life happened and stopped, find myself with free time now and want to give it another go. Tried Warmachine a few years ago but didn't get on with it and moved away from my friend who played. 75% sure I want to try 40k as that was new when I stopped playing and never tried it but AoS and LOTR is kinda appealing. I've got a boat load of questions so really want to know which forum I should post them.

My 2 cents, having read the lore for each, assembled and painted armies for all three game systems, 40k, AOS, and LOTR ("Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game" or "MESBG" these days), and played games in all three systems:

If you are mostly into the building and painting models aspect of the hobby, then I would suggest focusing on AOS or 40k. I think AOS has a bit better model design these days, but both have great looking (but expensive!) models. LOTR/MESBG mostly uses older, smaller-scale models from the early 2000's.

If you are mostly into the lore aspect of the game, it's hard to beat the original Hobbit/LOTR books as they are the foundation of classic fantasy settings. I enjoy the lore of 40k quite a bit (up until the recent return of the Primarchs), but could not get into the AOS backstory (I've tried several times . . .).

If you are mostly into the gaming aspect of the hobby, then the LOTR/MESBG game is much, much better than both AOS and 40k these days. Intuitive rules that are not overly complex or filled with needless "bloat," strategic opportunities in all phases of the game, and overall fantastic balance. I would rank current AOS gameplay 2nd of the three games (still far behind LOTR/MESBG), and current 40k last. I've found LOTR/MESBG games much more enjoyable for all players involved. It's a classic, well-designed game system that has only been gradually improved upon over the decades (like Blood Bowl, GW's actual best game), and not continuously scrapped and reset every three years as with 40k and AOS.

The main issue with LOTR/MESBG these days is dwindling GW support and a player base that cannot match 40k (or even AOS in most areas). LOTR/MESBG seems much more popular in Australia, New Zealand, and the UK than in the US these days, but areas vary.

I was initially very drawn to the LOTR but the lack of model variation there seems to be put me off. I'll see what the player base is like locally and might dip my toe into that too as it seems you field smaller groups so might be cheap, The Hobbit was the first "proper" book I read as a kid back in maybe '79/80 when I was 8 and been a fan so love the lore.

 Starbase804 wrote:
ok, another question. with the combat patrol I see it's good value but is there an issue with unit sizes later when building it up as in the Arco's are 3 in the box, whats a usual unit size? How does it work when buying another box, do you end up with wasted models? Same for the repentia. The battle sisters come with 10 so no problem there it seems.

Sometimes having extras isn't a bad thing because you can kitbash weapons options - i.e. there used to be a 5 man Space Marine squad box that was primarily designed to be the bolter marines to fill out a Devastator Squad. But you could take left over arm bits to make Captains and Sergeants with optional loads from them too. So if you get some left over models you can do unit/leader options on the extras.

But you can't really do that with mono pose or single load out models. if you get 5 or 3 models of a unit, that is only run at 10 models, then it becomes really hard to fill out the missing unit size with regular boxes. Not a SoB only problem either, other new patrols have the same problem too. DA get 5 hellblasters, but only 10 are run, and they are only sold in a box of 10.