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Playing a game he other night, we came up with a situation where I IF casted Throne of Vines. After reading the rules, we could not determine if the miscast could be ignored on a 2+ or not.
We played it that the wizard could not use the ability on the same spell that caused the miscast. Thus my damsel blew up the unit of knights she was with.

Did we play this correctly?

The miscast is simultaneous with the Throne, so you could not ignore the miscast as the ability is not available "yet"

Also, wrong forum - this starts "40k" as a clue I've alerted a mod.

Damn, I was doing this on my IPhone and picked the wrong forum.

I would think that you could use the spells ability. I say this becuase of the order in which it is resolved. You would only roll on the miscast table after determining if the spell went off with IF.

under miscast rules...

"...after the spell effect has been resolved..."

so the spell is in effect at the time the miscast is resolved thus netting you a 2+

That was the part that was throwing us off.

Fair enough, teach me to post from work.

This imposes an order of operations on things, which you fulfill - so you get to chuck a ton of dice at it and hopefully ignore the miscast

I think it's a bit cloudy at best. The spell was NOT in effect when you miscast. You have rolled a miscast exactly when you rolled an IF. It does say resolve the spell first, then roll on the miscast table.

I believe the intent here was the have the mage in the proper position for measuring radius and things when the spell goes off. For instance if the spell affects all units within 12 inches, then you wouldnt want to roll the miscast, kill off your mage, then try and figure out where he/she was when the spell went off.

What does the wording on the spell say? Is there something there regarding future spells cast will ignore miscast on a 2 or something like that? Don't have my book or cards with me, so I am not 100% sure.

Thoughts?



Clay

In the BRB it says, "Whilst the spell is in effect, every time the Wizard miscasts, roll a dice. On a 2+, the miscast is ignored."

Hence the intent is incredibly murky - did they mean it to protect you from casting it, or not?

So you fal back on the rules - whcih are that the spell is in play before you miscast, and therefore you follow the rules for the spell.

According to the BRB sat next to me, you resolve the spell then imeadeately suffer the miscast. the point being the spell is in effect before you actually suffer the miscast. I'd assume that means you;d get the 2+ to ignore it.


On another note a similiar question, if Throne of Vines is active on a slann with Cupped hands of the Old Ones, does the slann get TWO chances at ignoring the miscast, one of which bouncing to another caster if possible.

I was reading about IF and miscasts last night and in that section it specifically mentioned that the spell is resolved first and that he or any unit may benefit from the spells effects. I can't remember where that is, but once I get home today I'll post the page number.

**edit**

Found it on page 34 second sentence of the first paragraph. "As the spell has been cast with irresistible force, the casting player can at least enjoy the effect of the spell before something almost indescribably bad happens to the wizard and everyone nearby."

It looks like it - 2+ to ignore it, or if it is nasty you could try bouncing it on a 2+ using cupped hands, and if that fails you STILL have a 2+ to ignore it from the throne....

nosferatu1001 wrote:It looks like it - 2+ to ignore it, or if it is nasty you could try bouncing it on a 2+ using cupped hands, and if that fails you STILL have a 2+ to ignore it from the throne....

You could, honestly im going to use it to really suck out dispell dice, as that is not a spell you want getting off.