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Hey all,

We had 2 interesting questions come up last night in a game of IG vs Necrons....

1) Using a Colossus Ordance Battery....states that it cannot fire directly and that the minimum range is 24 inches...so I play the template center and it is about 29 inches away, but my opponent measures from the closest model in the unit and it is 23 inches away and states that since the unit is closer then 24 inches that I cannot target the unit. We rolled a dice and he won...but what is the ruling on this. Do you measure from the model that you nominate or from the closest model in the unit.

2) When a necron warrior dies in a unit, it is an instant death due to 2x Toughness, but there is a lord nearby, do you measure from the unit itself or the downed model. I thought it was the unit, but he thought it was the model.

Thanks guys....its probably in the rulebook but I lost my to a house fire.

1) You measure from the model.
2) I have no idea :S

Sorry to hear about the fire :(

Can't help you on the first, but res orbs affect models within 12". WBB is done on a model-basis, not a unit-basis.

1) You measure from the targeted model. Editing to add: That is not quite right; you must target a model, but you actually measure to the blast marker.

2) From the downed model to the standing model--if this version of the codex is to be believed.

#1. Targeted model, ie where the center dot starts before scatter.

#2. Since you mention Lord for #2, I'm assuming you're talking about the res orb, right? If so, then any unit with a model within 6" of the Lord carrying the Orb gains the benefits of the Orb. So if one model is within 6" of the Lord, and 19 models are not, the unit gets the benefit of the Orb. Page 15, Necron codex, res orb description.

The model to model bit is for WBB and is also 6".

Gavin Thorne wrote:Can't help you on the first, but res orbs affect models within 12".

No, sorry, but they don't. Range of the Res Orb is only 6".

1.Measure all blast ranges to the location of the blast marker.
2.Res orb goes by the unit. If any models in the unit are within the proper distance of the Lord at the time the casualty takes place then the orb works.

Raxmei wrote:1.Measure all blast ranges to the location of the blast marker.

Where on the blast marker? Point being, both of them measured, just from different parts of the blast marker. Now if you change that to center dot of the blast marker, it's acceptable..................

don_mondo wrote:

Raxmei wrote:1.Measure all blast ranges to the location of the blast marker.

Where on the blast marker? Point being, both of them measured, just from different parts of the blast marker. Now if you change that to center dot of the blast marker, it's acceptable..................

Right. You place the center hole of the blast marker over your target model. Then you measure from your weapon to the center of the blast marker. If it is within range, then you roll scatter. If it is not in range, it is an auto-miss.

At least that's the way we play it

puma713 wrote:

don_mondo wrote:

Raxmei wrote:1.Measure all blast ranges to the location of the blast marker.

Where on the blast marker? Point being, both of them measured, just from different parts of the blast marker. Now if you change that to center dot of the blast marker, it's acceptable..................

Right. You place the center hole of the blast marker over your target model. Then you measure from your weapon to the center of the blast marker. If it is within range, then you roll scatter. If it is not in range, it is an auto-miss.

At least that's the way we play it

That is the correct procedure.

Actually you check range to target first THEN you place the marker and check range again - this is because the blast rules replace the normal shooting process *after* the check range step.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually you check range to target first THEN you place the marker and check range again - this is because the blast rules replace the normal shooting process *after* the check range step.

Really? I did not know that.

I've always interpreted placing the blast marker as "declaring" the shot, hence, place blast marker then check range.

But if I can check range before placing a blast marker... I suppose that wouldn't be too much of an advantage, since declaring shooting, then checking range, then placing the blast marker is just as likely to "miss" automatically due to not having range as placing the blast marker, then checking range.

If you reread which parts "blast" replaces you should see the step that it kicks in at is after check range - probably because, from memory, check range and LOS is one combined step.

It helps with the shorter blast weapons, such as Vindicators, where you may not be able to get the shell in the middle of the unit (e.g. it's at 25") but could place it at the front - instead of definitely missing you have got a chance of doing some damage

You shouldnt play that guy again probably, that was a pretty douchey thing to make you 4+ and then lose.