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So we played a game, objective based, and we had to be within three inches of the objective to claim it. One objective was on elevated terrain, about 4-5 inches off the tabletop. If you are next to elevated terrain, but quite below the objective itself, can you still claim it?

I argue that you cannot--that you should make your way on top of the elevated terrain to claim. If I am standing next to a mountain, can I claim what is at it'speak without climbing it by standing at the base?

What do you think?

DakkaDakka wrote:

so vertical doesn't count, or does?

When you move jump infantry, do you measure the horizontal distance or do you measure the actual 3d distance?

I use daemons: I've never had jump infantry.

My friend made the same argument, although I feel like they are two separate issues. Movement is different from objective claiming. In order to claim an objective, you should be within reach, or 2-3 inches. Yet you're not within reach if you're at the base of elevated terrain.

Nowhere do the rules tell you to only measure distances on the horizontal plane.

So you measure directly from the model's base to the object in question. Not just horizontally.

but he also did not measure that distance when moving his unit, it was a simple dangerous terrain check. So if he wasn't required to do that and it wasn't stated at the beginning of the game, then it would seem a bit unfair from the other player perspective.

You are told you have to be within 3" of the objective. Nothing states you only measure this on a single plane. It is perfectly fine to not "clarify" this beforehand as it is inherent in the game.

The game is 3D inherently. There are some instances where it is abstracted to 2D (Blast markers for example) but in the main it is not.

I think it does state in the rule book that when measuring distances vertically it can be from any part of the model, not just the base. As an abstraction it suggests using each floor as being 2" apart, so in this case you could claim the objective from the floor above or below, but not more than that.

If it was from Any part of the model I should still have been fine then. I am fine with counting vertically as long as distance over two inches require people to take that into account with their movement Phase in which it was not accounted for at the time of question.

tp_1983 wrote:I think it does state in the rule book that when measuring distances vertically it can be from any part of the model, not just the base.

That's for measuring coherency in Ruins. Nothing more. The rules for measuring distances on page 3 of the rulebook tell you to measure from the model's base. Ruins have a specific rule for coherency in Ruins that allows you to measure from any part of the model.

I was reviewing the rules and maybe this has a tie into this chat, On Pg 13 of the main rule book, it state the following: "You should discuss all such terrain feature with opponent before the game and agree exacly what everything counts as and where boundaries of terrain feature lie."


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So in that regard both Shenra and I were both wrong as we did not go into great detail.

I think it is generally accepted that when the objective is in a building, you can be one floor up or down from it, aslong as you're pretty much directly above or below it. (Rooms generally being 2-3" high)

Oshova

Pg 83 of the rule book, does give a good example of having to measure those distances within your movement.

Movement and measurement to objective seems to be two different issues.