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I was playing against my friend the other day, and he positioned the base of his Dreadnought over the table edge to get a LOS against my fire worriers. Can he do that?

And?

I regret to inform you that your post appears to be missing a question.

a dreadnought is allowed to turn in the shooting phase to fire at a unit

I don't think you can do that. Personally, if someone pulled that on me I'd give them the benefit of the nudge test. Smack the table just enough to shake it and if the model drops off and breaks on the floor then he can't do it!

That will learn him to cheat!

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:I was playing against my friend the other day, and he positioned the base of his Dreadnought over the table edge to get a LOS against my fire worriers. Can he do that?

There's an answer in the 40K rulebook FAQ from GW that says that models can't move off the table unless otherwise specified. That's generally taken to mean that you can't move your models (represented by the hull of the vehicle or the model's base) partially off the table.

What page?

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:What page?

solkan wrote:
There's an answer in the 40K rulebook FAQ from GW that says that models can't move off the table unless otherwise specified. That's generally taken to mean that you can't move your models (represented by the hull of the vehicle or the model's base) partially off the table.

Faq~!

Sorry (wow I'im tired today)


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Sorry (wow I'im tired today)

It all depends on what you count as "off the board".

Is a model partially-on and partially-off the board allowed? If yes, then this is allowed. If no, then I direct you to a Baneblade trying to deploy from reserves being unable to get completely on the board.

This is NOT a clear-cut answer, and there's no good solution to it in the rules, at least IMO.

Well, once he's moved on to the table, and the base is 100% on, he CANNOT move off under any circumstance, unless the scenario allows it.

liam0404 wrote:Well, once he's moved on to the table, and the base is 100% on, he CANNOT move off under any circumstance, unless the scenario allows it.

Agreed!


But, at what point are you off the board? Is it:

A) When any part of your model/base is off the board
or
B) You no longer have any part of the model/base on the board

Not too sure, but I think there is some rule in brb or faq mentioning that you can do that... I remember that discussion if vehicle gets immobilised when entering the table... Then, unless dangerous terrain is placed exactly at table edge, it is put part off board and you can still do it... Now it all depends on what do you exactly mean on off board...

We've had that question a gazillion times - and theres a thread on the front page about it as well.

Camp A - This camp says that so long as 0.00001mm of the model is on the board, then you are on the board

Camp B - You must fully be on the board to be considered "on the board"

Camp C - Some other alternative.

Realistically, you have to houserule this. If you put a monolith in reserve and it comes on, the model itself is longer than 6 inches, so it technically couldn't do this. We all know thats crazy though, and thus we allow it on (or we should, if not shame on youfor wailing on the necrons!)

Where it starts getting icky, is when players move partially on to do something like preserve rear armour - then its debateable.

As I said, houserule it - saves the pain later.

Is the ruler on the table?

Yeah thats the picture which sums this one up more than my previous post.

Hilareously, I look it up every time.

I really should bookmark that. . . .

Out of curiosity, is that a real picture? In that does the ruler really sit that way?

Or am I a muppet and its a super dooper photoshop effort?

It works that way as the centre of gravity goes through the table - the hammer head is 4 or 5 times the weight of the handle, so it pushes the centre of balance far left.

Its an awesome picture

nosferatu1001 wrote:It works that way as the centre of gravity goes through the table - the hammer head is 4 or 5 times the weight of the handle, so it pushes the centre of balance far left.

Its an awesome picture

+1

I used to work in QA and had that image on a wall.
That ruler is really on the table.
Physics wins.

That is awsome.

Remove the hammer. If the ruler stays like that then it is on the board.

So you are saying that the ruler is not on the table until you move it off?

That seems odd. . .

Rymafyr wrote:Remove the hammer. If the ruler stays like that then it is on the board.

the ruler structure is on the table. That is all that is required.

Making up additional restrictions not present in the rules - not allowed.

A model is considered to be in a particular zone when it has even a small part of its base in that zone.

So it is under a blast marker when a small part of its base is clipped. It is within 2" to disembark when a small part of its base is within that 2" zone.

The question then becomes: which zone are we talking about? Are we saying that the table is the zone, and therefore if you have a small part of your base in that zone then you are not "off" the table and you are "on" the zone? Or are we saying that "Off the table" is also a zone, and therefore if you have even a small part of your base hanging over the edge, you are "off the table".

It's the difference between "off the table" and off "the table".

Personally, I run it that "off the table" is a zone, because that seems to be the intention of the rule. And in the rule for being "off the table" it doesn't mention the table as being a zone. Otherwise it would have said you must be "on the table".

Apologize for grave digging the old thread.

If a unit comes out from the table edge, does it count as movement phase?


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Apologize for grave digging the old thread.

If a unit comes out from the table edge, does it count as movement phase?

Don't apologize; just don't do it. Post a new thread; you'll get a better response.

And yes - a unit cannot come onto the board from Reserves unless it is the Movement phase (as you don't check for Reserves except during the Movement phase, and are required to place units when they arrive).

If you're asking "do units that enter from Reserves count as moving," that is also a yes - units move on from the board edge.

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