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HQ-Runepriest-wolftooth necklace,Wolftail talisman
(Jaws of the world wolf,Murderous hurricane) 115pts

Elite-5 x Wolfguard
Powerfist x 5. 190pts

Troop-5x Grey Hunters- 175
Power weapon,flamer. x6
Razorback-Twinlinked lascannon,stormbolter 1050 pts

Heavy-6 longfangs. 215
5-missile launchers. x3
Razorback twinlinked lascannons. 645

Grand Total- 2000pts

I just got done ordering the rest of the models i needed for this list. I think it should do very well at my local flags due to everyone running mech.What do you think dakka?

Don't expect to make any friends with this one.

No one will play you after seeing you use this list about twice, as a tournie list go ahead. dont take it to your FLGS cos it will lose the F pretty fast

I think a dual raider list will tearyou a newone cause its not a singel melta weapon in there.

No way man, Raiders are AV 10 and open topped, those Lascannons and missles will eat it up!

A Land Raider could be a problem maybe, but definitely not a Raider. Good news is Land Raiders just hang out on people's shelves these days because they fear 10 pt melta guns.

extrenm(54) wrote:Don't expect to make any friends with this one.

Skurk3n wrote:I think a dual raider list will tearyou a newone cause its not a singel melta weapon in there.

Tekeino wrote:No one will play you after seeing you use this list about twice, as a tournie list go ahead. dont take it to your FLGS cos it will lose the F pretty fast

Basically all these guys are spot on. A bit of imagination, originality or personal tactical ability is better than a 'cookie-cutter' list every-time.

It doesn't actually display any army-list or general-tactician competence either IMHO.
Your Priest (your only HQ) has a necklace and talisman, neither of which are needed and out-classed by Chooser/Slain. Similarly, you appear to have taken the two psychic powers with the best reputation rather than what are actually the two best for this list: LL and Tempest.

As has been said, you have no melta what-so-ever and will therefore struggle. MotW is better than PW in most cases. Storm Bolters are an un-necessary upgrade. Combi-weapons would go well on the Wolf Guard. Las/Plas Razorbacks would also make a better addition.

In my opinion it's unoriginal, flawed and shows no ability in the player what-so-ever.

Its a ridiculous amount of shooting and is very powerful. Despite several flaws, this list is still pretty unbearable for friendly play. Leave it at home until its time for a tournament or something of the sort...if you walk in with a Win at all Costs attitude, you will soon find yourself in short supply of friends...

The OP never said "This is my super fluffy, wanna be my best friend" kinda list. He labled it "My tourny WIN AT ALL COST Wolf List". I don't think he cares about someone getting upset if he beats them. A guy in my group plays a wolf list very similar to this all the time and no one complains so i say go for it.

I agree with the list suggestions Just Dave made.

Give the guys inside the razorbacks melta guns instead of flamers, and Land Raiders have to be cautious instead of blindly rushing you.

I don't understand this attitude. I would be more upset at an opponent who didn't do everything, within the rules, he could to try and win. You play games to have fun and to prime yourself for tourneys. Whats the point in playing a gimped army? That doesn't sound fun for anyone.

Don't listen to these guys. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" in the words of ex Jets coach Herman Edwards.

I worked on running a variant of this list. The only problem I see is the above mentioned land raider variant, and I think that IG gun lines can out shoot you.

Ordinance will tear you razorbacks to pieces as it hits on side armor 10, and if you make the mistake of clumping them together, its over in turn 1.

My recommendation to make this army a bit more survivable, is to ditch the wolf guard and get a dread or 2 to stand in front of the razorbacks. At least that way, you can have some AV 12 protection.

I also think that 3 predators with autocannons/side lazcannons will compliment this force better than long fangs with front armor 13

gannam wrote:Don't listen to these guys. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" in the words of ex Jets coach Herman Edwards.

I worked on running a variant of this list. The only problem I see is the above mentioned land raider variant, and I think that IG gun lines can out shoot you.

Ordinance will tear you razorbacks to pieces as it hits on side armor 10, and if you make the mistake of clumping them together, its over in turn 1.

My recommendation to make this army a bit more survivable, is to ditch the wolf guard and get a dread or 2 to stand in front of the razorbacks. At least that way, you can have some AV 12 protection.

I also think that 3 predators with autocannons/side lazcannons will compliment this force better than long fangs with front armor 13

Although all good suggestions regarding the army list, particularly regarding the dreads, this game doesn't have anywhere near the rewards of the Jets to be won, nor does it have the competitive nature.
Ultimately this is a game with toy soldiers, not a major sport and I think the OP could show at-least some imagination or tactical competence rather than copying off the internet. My belief at-least.

People play to have fun. If you get your fun out of winning, why should someone stop you? You're not criticizing people who have fun while playing, period. Now, they can reason out that "it's not fun to lose", then why are you not playing a WAAC list in the first place if you're not having fun just by playing? It's absurd. And true friendships are more durable and would last "oh no, he brought a list stronger than mine, friendship over!" If you have "friends" like that... well, you need to have new friends.

sorry, but tell that to all the tournament winners that copied their leaf blower armies off the internet.

This has become a copycat game and if you can't keep up, you get rolled.

I am only talking about the tournament scene mind you. People having fun with their buds should not run this stuff.

gannam wrote:sorry, but tell that to all the tournament winners that copied their leaf blower armies off the internet.

This has become a copycat game and if you can't keep up, you get rolled.

I am only talking about the tournament scene mind you. People having fun with their buds should not run this stuff.

Oh I would man. I would.

That seems to be true with much of the stuff that appears, particularly on the Internet, however you don't have to conform. There's always the quality of the general and the element of surprise (un-conventional list)...

Just Dave wrote:

gannam wrote:Don't listen to these guys. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" in the words of ex Jets coach Herman Edwards.

I worked on running a variant of this list. The only problem I see is the above mentioned land raider variant, and I think that IG gun lines can out shoot you.

Ordinance will tear you razorbacks to pieces as it hits on side armor 10, and if you make the mistake of clumping them together, its over in turn 1.

My recommendation to make this army a bit more survivable, is to ditch the wolf guard and get a dread or 2 to stand in front of the razorbacks. At least that way, you can have some AV 12 protection.

I also think that 3 predators with autocannons/side lazcannons will compliment this force better than long fangs with front armor 13

Although all good suggestions regarding the army list, particularly regarding the dreads, this game doesn't have anywhere near the rewards of the Jets to be won, nor does it have the competitive nature.
Ultimately this is a game with toy soldiers, not a major sport and I think the OP could show at-least some imagination or tactical competence rather than copying off the internet. My belief at-least.

And major sports are games with balls. It's your choice to take it seriously or not, competitively or not. Don't rain on someone's parade just because it's not your cup of tea. Aaaaand tournaments, by its very nature, are competitive.

There's also nothing wrong with copying something--this is not an art fair or a writing competition where originality is the point. People copy fluff, army color schemes, techniques regarding painting and modelling--but they're not allowed to copy army lists? Tell me: is there really an original list out there somewhere?

Sorry for being off-topic, but it eludes me why people must dictate to others their belief on what the game should be.

I just wrote a blog article about this subject yesterday! Ghostlight

Well, sorry for the threadjack. Let's just leave any criticisms of a competitive attitude out.

Great Article. you can call me a WAAC player, or you can call me a TFG as well. I don't care as long as I have the trophy. You can look down on me all you want from the bottom of the rankings.

But then again, I was part of that DND group when I was a kid that all played evil characters and passed notes to the dungeon master about backstabbing each other.

To make everything shinier in this list drop the Storm Bolters as that's 60 points of uselessness. That almost garners you a MM:HF Land Speeder. Next, drop all of the Power Weapons netting you another 90 points. This leaves you with 150 points. Grab 2 MM/HF and put 2 Melta Guns on your Razorback units. Now you have a good Melta ability for Anti-tank as well as a mobile target good for distraction and helping to thin out hordes.

First off, the OP didn't ask anyone for their opinions on the nature of the list's underlying gaming philosophy so please get off of your high horses. If someone likes to play competitively there is nothing wrong with that, although calling your own list a WAAC list certainly is opening the door to these types of criticisms.

As for those who think the game is now a game of copy the leader, you are really limiting yourself with that mode of thought. The guys who lead the pack are innovating and reacting to the pack who copy what the front runners do. Yes you can copy a winning list and use it to good effect, but you will always be trailing the innovators who build lists that counter the current meta.

Anyway, as for the list itself you have a lot of little flaws in an otherwise great tournament list. I run a similar list as my main tournament army and have found it to be brutally effective against all comers.

Drop the wargear on the priest, just a waste of points. Also, I have found that the best powers are JotWW and Storm Caller for this type of list.

Drop the storm bolters on the razorbacks, waste of points that you will probably rarely even shoot.

Drop the wolfguard pack leaders with fists. Those little 6 man squads won't do much in combat and honestly, you will be better off just keeping them cheap, in their razorbacks and out of combat. Go half flamers half melta guns to deal with heavy armor and hordes.

with the points you save, about 265, you can now grab a pair of Dreadnoughts to give you more firepower and some counter charge or you can take some thunderwolf calv for dedicated counter assault.

On your razorbacks, go half twin assault cannons, half las cannons. This allows you to not be boned if you come up on the horde spoiler army and the twin assault cannons are actually better against light armor than the twin las. Also, put your long fangs in razorbacks and have three of the grey hunter squads on foot. The reason why is that in DoW missions your long fangs, who are the meat and potatoes of your army, aren't screwed trying to walk into a good firing position. In objective missions just have your 3 foot grey hunter squads hop in the transports turn 1.

Good luck with your list, it is a very effective build.


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One last point, consider Typhoon speeders in this list over the MM/HF. Typhoons shoot all game, MM/HF fly up, shoot once, then die in most cases. My tournament wolves use 3 typhoons and that gives me 21 rockets on top of all the assault cannons and las cannons.

There are several things wrong here, if you want to really optimise this list.

Drop the wargear off the RP, pick up a chooser.

Drop all the PF's and PW's from EVERYTHING. They're not needed, if you're in combat you're dead already.

Razorbacks should be lasplas or TLAC, NEVER TLlasc.

Long fangs are good.

Wolf guard should be in squads of 3, w/ 3 combi meltas, with a lasplas.

Reecius wrote:As for those who think the game is now a game of copy the leader, you are really limiting yourself with that mode of thought. The guys who lead the pack are innovating and reacting to the pack who copy what the front runners do. Yes you can copy a winning list and use it to good effect, but you will always be trailing the innovators who build lists that counter the current meta.

It's not about just copying, it's also about understanding. I find it is more devastating to think out of the box just for the sake of thinking out of the box (in other words, trying to be original for originality's sake, forgetting the true purpose of things). To truly think out of the box, you must know why there's a box in the first place. And often the reason is that what's inside the box works. For a beginner I believe it's safer to copy first, then just stem out from there from what you've learned through experience, make a few variations here and there or overhaul the strategy entirely once you found your holy grail of tactica. Rather that than purchase a whole lot of stuff that doesn't synergize well, therefore you end up with a crappy army.