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Okay I have a few questions regarding either (or both) in the title.

#1: What is defined as "half strength"? Sounds a daft question but hear me out. The rule states that if a unit is under half strength, they cannot make a Leadership in order to regroup (this is from losing CC if you were wondering). Now, what is the half strength measured on? Is it the current units strength at the beginning of the turn, or their starting number?

#2: Am I correct in assuming that have more than bosspole does not mean I can keep taking wounds for each bosspole to reroll a morale test?

#3: How would one take the wound from a bosspole? I assume normal saves are allowed, but when is it taken? Before or after the test? If before, can it affect the test results?

1) "Half Strength" means that your remaining model count is half of what it was at the beginning of the game.

2) You can never re-roll a re-roll. So having 2 boss poles in a unit buys you nothing.

3) Excellent question! I had to check the Ork FAQ, assuming it would be addressed, but it wasn't. I assume it's taken before the test and can affect the test results. But, I am by no means certain this is the correct answer.

And, because I've taken so long to double-check the FAQ, I assume I've been Ninja'd...

Grakmar wrote:1) "Half Strength" means that your remaining model count is half of what it was at the beginning of the game.

2) You can never re-roll a re-roll. So having 2 boss poles in a unit buys you nothing.

3) Excellent question! I had to check the Ork FAQ, assuming it would be addressed, but it wasn't. I assume it's taken before the test and can affect the test results. But, I am by no means certain this is the correct answer.

And, because I've taken so long to double-check the FAQ, I assume I've been Ninja'd...

Nope you got lucky #1 seems like a bit of a cheap move in a sense. You reduce a squad to under half then leave it so they jsut run off the board. #2 soundedobvious but I wanted to check anyway

You inflict a wound. (roll saves)
You may now re-roll that test. The way it's worded I think you test on the same value because you are re-rolling the results of a previous test not taking a new test. So if losing that wound affected mob-up it does not cause an affect for the re-roll.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:#1 seems like a bit of a cheap move in a sense.

Not at all! That's perfectly valid strategy that players should all use to their advantage. You reduce a squad to 50% then force it to run and you've effectively destroyed the squad.

The counter to this is one of the biggest reasons ATSKNF is so awesome!

And yet for orks its a terrible omen XD

Shas'O Dorian wrote:The way it's worded I think you test on the same value because you are re-rolling the results of a previous test not taking a new test.

That's the ticket - the Bosspole is a reroll and uses the value you tried to beat before, no matter if the hit ork dies or not. You're still rolling the morale test you had to take, not one for losing a guy to the pole.

oops..

Fearless hurt more then not regrouping for you Boyz units, they done all they can by the time there running. The reroll from the bosspole means they useally only run when 7 or lower. Lootaz and Burnaz are only units you really have to watch out for, with no bosspole and up to 15 models.

lucky I don't field any then as I run a mech list I have just put bosspoles everywhere, but the wound part always bugged me. So, wound taken first but it doesn't affect the test results? Sounds ok to me.

Wait, are you saying you can only take one wound from a bosspole, not keep inflicting wounds on your unit to keep re-rolling morale?

The Bringer wrote:Wait, are you saying you can only take one wound from a bosspole, not keep inflicting wounds on your unit to keep re-rolling morale?

Correct.

Yes, for the very good reason that you cannot reroll a reroll.

But the rule says " each time you fail that morale test"

That would include the fail of a re-roal, no?

Page 2 of the BGB. You cannot re-roll more than once. Ever. No matter what.

"No single die may be re-rolled more than once regardless of the source of the re-roll."

Correct -The Bringer- you can reroll the test using the bosspole's rule any number of times (until there are no boys left to shoot of course).




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Codex > Rulebook: Codex always trumps the rulebook with regards to any RAW, and the codex says specifically " EACH TIME a unit with a bosspole fails a morale test you may choose to inflict a wound on that unit (not on the model with the bosspole) in order to reroll that morale test."


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Once again another rule that contradicts what the BGB says. Thanks to GW!

There is no contradiction, the re-roll is not a single use item--it can be used once each time.
No need to re-roll a re-roll

Man, I can't believe I forgot about that rule. Yet one more rules scandal found out...

kirsanth wrote:There is no contradiction, the re-roll is not a single use item--it can be used once each time.
No need to re-roll a re-roll

Tru Story Bro... But seriously you are correct ;D

What's being re-rolled? The Morale Test is being re-rolled. You can only re-roll a test once, as stated in the main rulebook. The bosspole allows you to use the Bosspole each time you fail a Morale Test.

We're only taking one Morale Test at a time, so we can only use the Bosspole once for that particular test. If we had to make more than 1 Morale Test in the same phase/turn, the Bosspole rule is telling us that we can use it for each test we're required to take. It's not telling is we can supercede the re-roll rules as laid out in the main rulebook and make multiple re-rolls for a single Morale Test.

That's my interpretation of the rules.

Also, Codex is not necessarily more specific than the BRB and the real rule for 40k interpretation and precedence is...

Specific>General

A rule allowing you to re-roll leadership tests is less specific than a rule restricting you from re-rolling a re-roll. Ergo, no matter how many Boss Poles are in your squad, you get to re-roll once per failed test.

Ok guys new question.

We know wazdakka lets warbikers be troops. We also know a warboss allows a nob or meganob squad to be a troop choice. So can a biker boss allow warbikers as troops AND a nob/meganob squad as a troop choice?

calypso2ts wrote:Also, Codex is not necessarily more specific than the BRB and the real rule for 40k interpretation and precedence is...

Specific>General

A rule allowing you to re-roll leadership tests is less specific than a rule restricting you from re-rolling a re-roll. Ergo, no matter how many Boss Poles are in your squad, you get to re-roll once per failed test.

It isn't even a conflict, really.

If a player used the boss poll twice, that player would get a second re-roll. At this point the rules for re-rolls that the this that this new re-roll CAN DO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

So if a player wanted to, he or she could make the unit commit suicide by buying useless re-rolls until all of the models had been killed, but at no point would permission exist to change the result of that roll.

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Ok guys new question.

We know wazdakka lets warbikers be troops. We also know a warboss allows a nob or meganob squad to be a troop choice. So can a biker boss allow warbikers as troops AND a nob/meganob squad as a troop choice?

no as the Warbike-mounted boss does not have Wazzdakka's rule.

And Wazzdakka's Da Bike Boss rule is that all Warbiker mobs can be taken as troops, not just 1 as with the Warboss's Da Big boss rule.

Now mind you if you upgrade your Nobz as biker nobz they can still be troops with either a bike-mounted or non-bike mounted wearboss(but not under Wazzdakka).

Short Summery: Warboss only allows 1 unit bought from the Nobz or MegaNobz entry to be troops, Wazzdakka only allows units bought from the Warbikers mob entry to be troops.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Ok guys new question.

We know wazdakka lets warbikers be troops. We also know a warboss allows a nob or meganob squad to be a troop choice. So can a biker boss allow warbikers as troops AND a nob/meganob squad as a troop choice?

no as the Warbike-mounted boss does not have Wazzdakka's rule.

And Wazzdakka's Da Bike Boss rule is that all Warbiker mobs can be taken as troops, not just 1 as with the Warboss's Da Big boss rule.

Now mind you if you upgrade your Nobz as biker nobz they can still be troops with either a bike-mounted or non-bike mounted wearboss(but not under Wazzdakka).

Short Summery: Warboss only allows 1 unit bought from the Nobz or MegaNobz entry to be troops, Wazzdakka only allows units bought from the Warbikers mob entry to be troops.

I wasn't sure so I had to check.

No prob; I had noticed nobody answered, so...