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HQ - 245

Librarian - 145
-Terminator armor w/ a Storm Shield
-(Fear of the Darkness/Unleash Rage)

Librarian - 100
-(Fear of the Darkness/Shield of Sanguinius)


ELITES - 875

Assault Terminator Squad (10) - 675
-5 THSS
-LR Crusader

Sanguinary Priests (3) - 200
-2 Jump Packs


TROOPS - 380

Assault Squad (10) - 190

Assault Squad (10) - 190

Total - 1500


I'll be using this list against orks most likely.



C@C please.

Will the termies be teleporting in or do ya plan 2 walk them across the table either way there gonna take so much fire 2+ is easy 2 fail if ya have 2 roll it 30 times if you want shock & awe assault troops go vanguard & DoA them they'll cost a lot less & can assualt the turn of arrival

Vanguard veterans seem so stinking expensive for what you get. A unit of ten w/ power weapons is 465 pts, and you have worse weapons than terminators, a worse save, no invulnerable...

My opponent just agreed to let me us a rhino as a LR... so I'll edit the list.

Well I'll do it in points.
A. Look at your two HQ choices, they are both the same and both cost 145 points, making your HQ total 290 points.

B. You can't fit 10 terminators into a single land raider, they count as 2 models for transports so unless you plan on combat squading them that wont work, but why spend the points? If anything drop the unit down to six and put the termy libby with UR and SoS here and upgrade your JP-less priest to a terminator priest. Then you can fit everything in the Crusader and everything will have the same survivability.

C. I don't really think you need two Terminator Librarians, so dropping one to a regular Libby with a JP and attaching him to a Squad of Assault Marines would work well. Give him Blood Lance and either Unleash Rage or Sanguine Sword.

D. You have no anti-tank minus a LR which I assume you will deep strike since its the only AV thing in the list, and A LRC can't hurt anything AV-14 and will struggle against AV-12 and AV-13. If you take my suggestions you will have enough points to outfit your assault squads with meltaguns and a powerfist, giving you a reliable amount of anti-mech.

My suggestions in list form:
HQ
Termy Libby(SS, Unleash Rage, SoS)-145
Librarian(JP, Blood Lance, Unleash Rage or Sanguine Sword)-125

Elites
Assault Terminatorsx6(3xTH/SS)-255
LRC(EA)-265

Sangunary Priestx2(JP)-150
Termy Priest-85

Troops
RASx10(Melta,Melta,PF)-235
RASx10(Melta,Melta,PF)-235

Total:1,495 Points

Hope that helps, good luck!

IMO you only need 1 librarian, just be picky with the spells you want..

I'd drop 1 librarian and replace him with a furioso w/blood talons (blood talons are perfect for ork killing).

Add meltas/meltabombs and a PF to each assault squad for a bit of punch.

Also, if you're gonna be playing orks most of the time, 5 THSS's are a crappy choice, 5 termies striking at I/1 against mobs of boys is not recommended. Only take 2-3 THSS's and put lightning claws on the rest. 3 is enough to wreck any MEQ.

If your playing orks just take a gakload of ASM with priests as back up, youll win.

HQ

Termy Libby(SS, Unleash Rage, FotD)-145

Librarian (JP, Blood Lance, Unleash Rage)-125

Elites

Assault Terminatorsx6(3xTH/SS)-255
LR(EA)-265

Sangunary Priestx2(JP)-150
Termy Priest-85

Troops

ASx10(2xFlamer/hF/pf)-235
ASx10(2xFlamer/hF/pf)-235

Total:1,495 Points

I have my assault squads Flamers and Hand Flamers to take out most of the boy mobs before they assault, and the pF just in case he sends a kan in to the assault.

Most likely my opponent won't be fielding any armor, which is why I took off the meltas. I made the Land Raider plain, so it has the capability to take out any vehicles before they are a problem.

Thanks for the comments, does this look ok now?

I played this list last night and it was lethal against footslogging orks


Libby
2 5 Man Assault Squads in TLLC Razorback

10 Man Assault Squad w/JP 2x Flamer and Hand Flamer

1 Furioso Dread w/ Blood Talons + Built In Flamer

2 Baal Predators w/ Flamestorm Cannon

2 Dreadnoughts w/ TL Flamer and Built In Flamer in Drop Pods

1 Vindicator



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The TL HF Dreds were lethal especially when arriving by drop pod! straight into the middle of a pile of 30 boys guaranteed killage

Assault Squads need meltaguns, Orks have vehicles too you know

mercer wrote:Assault Squads need meltaguns, Orks have vehicles too you know

They do, but I know this player.
He has 1 battlewagon, 3 kans, and then 1 trukk. Not that much. Librarian and LR could deal with that easily... right? And he has never even fielded all of his armor in a single game before, usually he uses kans as a points filler.

If you really don't think that my LR and Libby can take care of it, I'll swap out the flamers for melta-guns.

Mercer is right, i had nothing that could deal with the ork killa kans in my friends army last night, save for the TLLC Razbacks, but i spent most of the game keeping them near my objective and only taking out his defkoptas when they got to close. Add some meltaguns in your squads and you will be able to cope!!!

niallkissick wrote:
The TL HF Dreds were lethal especially when arriving by drop pod! straight into the middle of a pile of 30 boys guaranteed killage

I believe it. I just wish I had the money to get some more dreadnoughts and two baal predators. I just started BA 2 months ago or so, so I don't have that much for them yet. The 1 dreadnough is from AoBR, and the 2nd was given to me from a friend as a Furioso Librarian conversion.

EDIT - So it seems like melta-guns are a must have...


HQ

Termy Libby(SS, Unleash Rage, FotD)-145

Librarian (JP, Blood Lance, Unleash Rage)-125

Elites

Assault Terminatorsx6(3xTH/SS)-255
LR(MM)-260

Sangunary Priestx2(JP)-150
Termy Priest-85

Troops

ASx10(Flamer/meltagun/pf)-230
ASx10(Flamer/meltagun/hf/pf)-240

Total:1,490 Points

If you are playing a friend like i do we just proxy everything, the two dreads i had on the table last night had a blutacked on skorcha from his killa kan kit and an assault cannon


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counting as the TL HF

niallkissick wrote:If you are playing a friend like i do we just proxy everything, the two dreads i had on the table last night had a blutacked on skorcha from his killa kan kit and an assault cannon


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counting as the TL HF

I'm playing my brother, getting a landraider is about the most I could do with my diplomacy

At least your brothers play! I could only wish that either of my brothers would play warhammer!!!

The Bringer wrote:

mercer wrote:Assault Squads need meltaguns, Orks have vehicles too you know

They do, but I know this player.
He has 1 battlewagon, 3 kans, and then 1 trukk. Not that much. Librarian and LR could deal with that easily... right? And he has never even fielded all of his armor in a single game before, usually he uses kans as a points filler.

If you really don't think that my LR and Libby can take care of it, I'll swap out the flamers for melta-guns.

Er, no. Melta is needed for Battlewagons, long shots like missiles or lascannons for Kanz and Trukks. You have a single Land Raider Crusader, which doesn't even have a multi melta - so how is the single assault cannon going to deal with one of those units let alone all of them?

I made it a normal LR in the updated list, and the lascannons could then take care of any armor, though adding a mm isn't a bad idea.

I used to use normal Land Raiders. Having two twin-linked lascannons and a multi melta is great for anti tank, however the heavy bolters are not which means you firing all weapons except the heavy bolter into a armoured target and the heavy bolters else where. I also found the Raider needs to move 12" to get the Terminators into assault, moving 6" and firing only two weapons doesn't help.

With a Crusader you can move 12" and still fire a single weapon, but if you move 6" you can fire ALL weapons - great for anti infantry and still got anti tank as well.

The Bringer wrote:HQ - 245

Librarian - 145
-Terminator armor w/ a Storm Shield
-(Fear of the Darkness/Unleash Rage)

Librarian - 100
-(Fear of the Darkness/Shield of Sanguinius)


ELITES - 875

Assault Terminator Squad (10) - 675
-5 THSS
-LR Crusader

Sanguinary Priests (3) - 200
-2 Jump Packs


TROOPS - 380

Assault Squad (10) - 190

Assault Squad (10) - 190

Total - 1500


I'll be using this list against orks most likely.



C@C please.

Im guessing the terminator librarian is going with the other terminators

a LRC only fits 16 models and terminators count as 2 so thats only room for 8 (-1 for librarian)

Your other librarian and preist arnt really going anywhere unless you give them a jp or stick em in the LRC

preist in termi armor is 85 pts so you could try:

save 170 pts removing 2 th/ss and 2 lc termis
then
SP => termi SP and librarian => jp librarian that costs 60pts
then you can give the assault squads some meltaguns
and Power Fists (excess points and can help take out stuff that would normally tie up your assault squads)

so that would give you:

HQ - 270

Librarian - 145
-Terminator armor w/ a Storm Shield
-(Fear of the Darkness/Unleash Rage)

Librarian - 125
-JP
-(Fear of the Darkness/Shield of Sanguinius)


ELITES - 740
Assault Terminator Squad (6) - 505
-3 THSS
-LR Crusader

Sanguinary Priests (3) - 235
-2 Jump Packs
-1 Termi Armor w/ PW


TROOPS - 470

Assault Squad (10) - 235
- 2 x meltagun/ PF

Assault Squad (10) - 235
-2 x meltagun/ PF

Total - 1480
that way you have a LRC with 6 Terminators 3 of them TH/SS with a termi librarian and termi preist

then two fully equiped assault squads with preists and one of them with a librarian

that leaves you with 20 pts left (combi-weapons on jp preists?) or upgrade lrc with a Multi-Melta

Ok, thanks everybody for the help.

If I use the list Gibbsey posted, and used 10 of the extra pts for a mm, what should I use the other ten points for? I could get a storm bolter for the LRC as well...

Not a lot for 1,500 points. Three units, a single deathstar unit which can be stopped by certain ranged weaponry and up close melta, stop it and the Assault Squads cover is gone. You'll find against certain armies you will get hammered and quickly.

The Bringer wrote:Ok, thanks everybody for the help.

If I use the list Gibbsey posted, and used 10 of the extra pts for a mm, what should I use the other ten points for? I could get a storm bolter for the LRC as well...

Well a couple of other people posted the same idea i jsut put it in the same format as the original list.

MM for LRC is a good idea, for the other 10 pts i think you can give the assault squad seargeants melta bombs not sure how good that would be

so far i can think of:

melta bombs / combi weapon/ other wargear for assault squad seargeant/ sp/ librarian
storm bolter for lrc

Ok thanks, I think this is about as good as it will get without restarting completely.

Thanks all, and Mercer, I'll just have to be careful...