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So the stats for the Ork lobba are as follows:

lobba - range g48 - ...
My question is do we still use guess ranges in this edition of 40k?

no

Check the 'Barrage' entry in the weapon type rules section.

'Guess' range weapons are simply Barrage weapons in this edition.

Guess was two editions ago at the very least.

No it was 4th edition. This is 5th edition, so 1 edition ago. And its pg 32 in the small book

No, "Guess" ranges did not exist in 4th edition either, they had the same note stating the "guess" is equivalent to "barrage" that we do now.

You only actually guessed the range in 3rd.

What you still had Guess Range in 4th. 4th ed pg 28, under Maximum Range.

Sicarious85 wrote:So the stats for the Ork lobba are as follows:

lobba - range g48 - ...
My question is do we still use guess ranges in this edition of 40k?

Actually, yes, for the first time in a few Editions, players have to guess ranges now, but for all Blast weapons and not just Guess/Barrage weapons. This is one of those hidden/stealth changes I bet most people still play wrong years after 5th edition has come out.

Noir wrote:What you still had Guess Range in 4th. 4th ed pg 28, under Maximum Range.

Sure, and we still have them now. . .

insaniak wrote:Check the 'Barrage' entry in the weapon type rules section.

'Guess' range weapons are simply Barrage weapons in this edition.

BuFFo wrote:

Sicarious85 wrote:So the stats for the Ork lobba are as follows:

lobba - range g48 - ...
My question is do we still use guess ranges in this edition of 40k?

Actually, yes, for the first time in a few Editions, players have to guess ranges now, but for all Blast weapons and not just Guess/Barrage weapons. This is one of those hidden/stealth changes I bet most people still play wrong years after 5th edition has come out.

Go back to writing those terrible battle reports of yours troll.

kirsanth wrote:

Noir wrote:What you still had Guess Range in 4th. 4th ed pg 28, under Maximum Range.

Sure, and we still have them now. . .

True but unlike 4th ed, 5th ed has no rule for using Guess Range, while 4th still dose. Unless you a saying 4th ed main rule book is wrong. Like I said it under Maximum Range, that give the rule here, not whats under Barrage. So 4th has rules for Guess Range, 5th don't easy right?

Noir wrote: 5th ed has no rule for using Guess Range,

The rules are on page 32 as was listed. . .

kirsanth wrote:

Noir wrote: 5th ed has no rule for using Guess Range,

The rules are on page 32 as was listed. . .

Yes, in 5th pg 32 it tell you G in older Codex are now Barrage. Sorry should of said in 5th ed, only rule for Guess Range is that its now Barrage, better.

But my point is you still guessed in 4th, becouse they have rules for guessing the range while 5th dosen't.

Err, in 4th the rules stated that weapons with a "G" for range "These weapons are called Barrage Weapons" and did not guess any more than any other weapon.

Which is to say you still "guess" if the target is in range. You do not declare a range of the barrage any more than you did in 4e.

kirsanth wrote:Err, in 4th the rules stated that weapons with a "G" for range "These weapons are called Barrage Weapons" and did not guess any more than any other weapon.

Which is to say you still "guess" if the target is in range. You do not declare a range of the barrage any more than you did in 4e.

Read the Mamimum Range heading in 4th and 5th then come back and say that.

I was reading and quote the page 32 you referenced, but ok. One sec.

Editing to add:
Please quote your point. The rules disagree as I read them.

Noir - as above. As I pointed out in 4th you did not "guess" the range to the target as in stating a distance in inches and placing the marker. As I pointed out "guess" simply meant "barrage"

So no, there have NOT been any ACTUAL guess *range* weapons since 3rd.

kirsanth wrote:I was reading and quote the page 32 you referenced, but ok. One sec.

Aslo pg 28 in 4th like I point out 3 or 4 post ago.

Noir wrote:

kirsanth wrote:I was reading and quote the page 32 you referenced, but ok. One sec.

Aslo pg 28 in 4th like I point out 3 or 4 post ago.

OK

"If the weapon has a 'G' next to its range then the weapon can be fired. . .guessing the range. These are called Barrage Weapons. Such a weapon may hve two ranges. . .-- in this case the first number is the minimum range for the weapon, the second is the maximum."

The rest of the rules tell you how to deal with min/max range. Nothing tells you to guess other than to estimate if something is within that range. Even in 4e.

4th ed Maximum Range "If a weapon has a "G" next to its range then the weapon can be fired over obstacles by means of the gunners guessing the range". To means that mean guessing.

See what happen when you qoute the whole thing.

Noir wrote:4th To means that mean guessing.

And the rules for that in 4e arewere. . .?


(Barrage Weapons)




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Noir wrote:See what happen when you qoute the whole thing.

Oddly, I was thinking the same thing.

Where are the rules for deployment, 5th only tells us we can, not how.

Just like Guess Range in 4th.

Taoofss wrote:Go back to writing those terrible battle reports of yours troll.

Way out of line. Please review the DakkaDakka rules via the link in my signature -- espeically regarding Rule Number One.

4th tells told us that "G" range weapons are were barrage weapons, which there arewere rules for using the RANGE stats.

The only guess in 4e, as 5e, was whether the target was within the viable target range.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Noir - as above. As I pointed out in 4th you did not "guess" the range to the target as in stating a distance in inches and placing the marker. As I pointed out "guess" simply meant "barrage"

So no, there have NOT been any ACTUAL guess *range* weapons since 3rd.

As I said, in 5th Guess has made a return.

When firing a Blast Weapon, you have to nominate which model you are placing the template over BEFORE checking for distance. I have missed many shots because even though the unit was in range of a weapon, the model was not.

So yeah, you don't Guess ranges anymore, but you still have to guess if the model you are firing at is in range. It is Guess, but not like how it used to be.

As far as flat out stating "I guess 36 inches" Yeah, that doesn't exist. But in your mind, you still have to think "Is that model within 36 inches?".

Actrually you dont. You replace step 3 (rolloing to hit) with placing the Marker - which is AFTER you have measured range to the unit. So you place nominate the target, measure range, THEN place the blast.

So if you're idiotic you can manage to place it over the maximum range, but its pretty hard to do....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actrually you dont. You replace step 3 (rolloing to hit) with placing the Marker - which is AFTER you have measured range to the unit. So you place nominate the target, measure range, THEN place the blast.

So if you're idiotic you can manage to place it over the maximum range, but its pretty hard to do....

Hmmm, I don't have my book on me, but I will give this a once over in a bit. Maybe I have been making the game harder on myself this whole time, lol!

BuFFo wrote:Hmmm, I don't have my book on me, but I will give this a once over in a bit. Maybe I have been making the game harder on myself this whole time, lol!

I played 4e and found this to occur periodically. The mistake iswas not all that uncommon, from what I have seen.
It is a mistake though.

They're barrage. put down yer template and measure the range. You get to subtract your 3 Grot BS if you can see the target, otherwise you are at full scatter. (You did get some ammo grots, right?) You do not need line of sight for these. Kinda low strength, but they do call for a pinning test!!

Noir wrote:4th ed Maximum Range "If a weapon has a "G" next to its range then the weapon can be fired over obstacles by means of the gunners guessing the range". To means that mean guessing.

The difference is that it's the 'gunner' doing the guessing, not the player.

In 3rd edition, to fire a Guess range weapon you had to nominate the range, measure that distance from the weapon, and place the blast marker at that measured point.
4th edition removed the first part, and relegated the 'guessing' to fluff, rather than being a part of the actual weapon mechanics.