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Hey guys,

so i'm starting this IG army, and I was thinking about using my favorite color template: White and Gold. Ok, won't be really camo, except in... well, won't be camo

Thing is, if I really paint them white and gold, like by using Dwarf Bronze or something, they will look really bling, and I don't really want them to look like lame 80's hip-hop guys. On another hand, pure yellow look really stupid and flashy

But I saw some models where the artist managed to do a gold-like stuff not blinging, for example on the GW officer of the fleet (middle guy here), he has a lot of this

Do one of you know how to manage to do that stuff?

I've quite good painting skills, so I can do what need to be done. If I can avoid using an unrealistic number of colors for one stuff, it's all the better. I like to keep things simple if possible (and I tend to be quite short on the money)

And another question : I'm planning on using a few non-GW models, especially this guy for Al Rahem, and the guy on the bottom left here for Marbo

But I want to know how the "only GW models in tournaments" rule works?
- does every model needs to be GW?
- if so, bits from other companies are ok?
- what about forge world?
- if forge world is ok, are there other companies "allowed"?
- does this rule exists in all wh40k tournaments?

for the main part of the army, it's ok, but for these 2 guys... seriously, look at the original models :/ well, they were actually done in the previous century, and you can feel it.. They are soooooo 2nd millenium

Well, thanks a lot for answers!

Forgeworld is actually part of GW, so they're allowed. That rule generally only exists in GW sponsored tournaments and GW stores. Those Infinity models or whatever are cool but really don't fit in with any 40k aesthetics - it would be cooler to convert your own from command squad bits or what have you.

What do you notice most about that officer of the fleet? What makes his white and gold (actually a rich yellow) work? It's the addition of the blue. Adding in another color will go a long way towards making your guys look less "bling."

Maybe white and yellow (used traditionally in heraldry to represent gold) and save the actual gold for the higher ups. Probably a good idea for the yellow not to be too bright as well if you go with it.
For the yellow on the Officer of the Fleet it looks very much like a less "reflective" non-metallic metal gold. So maybe look up a few tutorials for that for inspiration. Would obviously have a brown for a base coat and work up from that.

I agree with SRM though, the only reason the yellow works on the Officer is because it contrasts with the blue. It's too similar to the white. Maybe an additional colour like a darkish grey or something?

If I remember right it has to be a majority GW by a percentage, however I've seen this percentage slowly climb so I wouldn't worry about it.

First Infinity guy looks cool, I might get a new Inquisitor with a bit of work now.

Thanks for the replies!

What do you notice most about that officer of the fleet? What makes his white and gold (actually a rich yellow) work? It's the addition of the blue. Adding in another color will go a long way towards making your guys look less "bling."

I agree with SRM though, the only reason the yellow works on the Officer is because it contrasts with the blue. It's too similar to the white. Maybe an additional colour like a darkish grey or something?

Yes, I was thinking about doing something like mordian blue, or a darker blue, or even black, depending on the unit, as a bottom layer (like clothes under armour/coats, that stuff), white for most proeminent layer (coats/armours), and top it with gold on details, might look good

as for the non-metallic gold, I'll try with some leatherish stuff, and yellow it a bit

If I remember right it has to be a majority GW by a percentage, however I've seen this percentage slowly climb so I wouldn't worry about it.

well, if it's climbing, I should worry,no? :p

I also need 8 psykers + overseer for this army, any idea? I was thinking about getting some inquisitor model for the overseer, but as for the psykers... GW sanctioned psykers look too much like these guys

I was thinking about using this opportunity to get some females models, but again, it means not GW models (and Infinity hackers would fit the score perfectly, with some converting)

Hmm don't quote me but i think the 70% figure is a model by model count. E.g You could have a whole army with pig iron heads or ak47s i dont think you can have entire minitaures from a different company.

Ok, seems logical
and do the tournaments warn beforehand how they treat that rule, each time?

At worst, I can keep a "pure" army, and a "cool-looking" army ^^

Firstly, the "middle model" of your link (the officer of the fleet) was painted using the non-metallic metal technique. Do a google/dakka search for this, or it's abbreviated form of NMM, and I'm sure you'll find some painting techniques.

As for camo in this scheme, I'd consider doing your uniforms where they have a cream colored base, like bleached bone with white painted on the highlights and then a dark yellow color for the camoflage color, like desert yellow. That way you get the white and yellow while not looking gaudy in any way, and would provide a nice transition color between white and gold.

As for the Infinity guys, they look nice, but they will also look out of place as they look like 28mm, but not 28mm "heroic". I'd be much more tempted to take regular guardsmen and convert them to look like those models.

I found a post about NMM, seems exactly like what I'm searching for, thanks!

The goal of the scheme is to look more like a military parade, or something: you look cool and nice, but you won't be camo anywhere. But I like your idea, I might use it for some units (like Catachans, I've thought a lot about it, but I can't think of any way to make them "nice and parade-ish"

For the Infinity guys, i'll see, I'll probably just paint them, and see how it looks like; if its awkward, then I'll add cloaks/capes, loincloths, shoulder pads, to try to make them fit more

And if it still looks strange, well... Yeah, I'll do guardsmen conversions, just in case (and might come in handy for tournaments)

Alternately, you could give your guardsmen half-parade, half-field uniforms.

That's what I do:

Yeah, I noticed that on your avatar before, they look nice You're going for a kind of mexican/hispano look, am I wrong?

I'm particularly impressed by the skin style, how did you do?

as for myself, what I'm aiming for is the kind of army the important guys would keep at their place, all shiny and impressive and veterans of each regiment, kind of stuff

I actually found a picture that looks like what I aim for, here (and next one too)

I guess he used Space Wolves grey, looks quite good on the vehicles (even if it could still be lighter), but I'm not really convinced by the guards

I think I'll go with different kinds of white, + bits of blue (mainly mordian blue and another darker blue), and then gold/bronze and NMM gold, might look good; I hope I'll get paid soon, this way I'll be able to experiment on these poor little cadians (the worst part of picking up the hobby again is having to get back all this paints/brushes/clippers/weird tools that you had before :/)

Just to clarify something that's been misexplained here:

The piping and cufflinks on the Officer of the Fleet are not meant to be NMM gold.
It was just painted to be yellow piping/braidwork, like you'll see on many dress uniforms for military/law enforcement agencies these days.

If you want a gold/bronze that will look nice though?

Don't do flat gold or bronze. Start with a silver, use Ogryn Flesh, Devlan Mud, or Gryphonne Sepia to weather it.

The color of the silver you use will affect how the end product will look just as much as the wash will.

ok, thanks a lot for the clarification

and for this "Officer of the fleet"-like yellow, what do you suggest? Because I'll have to do cloth detail, and this yellow is what i'm going for

Iyanden Darksun.

It's a "militaristic" yellow that works quite nicely.

Alternatively, you can use Tau Sept Ochre--which is sort of similar, but has a slightly orangey tinge to it.