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I was looking into running a squad of assault termies in a LRR. My question is which would be better to lead them, a termie Chaplain, or librarian and why? They both have their advantages but I was hoping to get some feed back on what others think, or have experienced.

Thanks!

Also, if I run a Librarian with them, does he need to also be in terminator armor; or can he join the squad without it?

Dont take a termie chaplain. Just take cassius.

Your libby does not need to be in termie armor to join them unless you plan on deep striking the termies.

Whether you should take a chaplain or a libby depends on what you want to do.

Personally, I would take cassius and a libby with null zone and avenger. Take em both!

If this is BA, a Librarian with Unleashed Rage would make them smash through most things they find. If it's vanilla, as much as I want to say Chaplain for the awesome termie Chap model, I have to say libby for null zone.

No you don't need Terminator armour to join Terminators.
Terminator chaps lose an attack, due to a stormbolter not being a pistol. And all he really gains is +1 to his armour roll...

Null zone on the other hand will pretty much guarantee you'll whallop anything in your path...

I'd go a libby and chappy both in power armour

But also, the kind of armies you play against on a regular basis, the rest of your list, what equipment your giving your assault terminators etc really would help

A Chaplain is an cheaper and overall easier choice. He doesn't need Terminator armor to keep up with the Squad. His Rosarius makes him plenty survivable. Cassius is fine, (although without Relentless, his Hellfire Rounds are wasted with an assaulty unit) but a regular Chaplain can take a Combi-melta, which is good for busting open transports so your squad can assault the soft, tasty unit inside it.

A Librarian without Terminator armor is just asking to get killed in a group of other Terminators, especially against some of the tough units you'll attack with the squad. The enemy will just put something nasty (read: anything that ignores armor saves) in B2B with the Libby and get a free kill point. Obviously you want him to have Null Zone. Give him Epistolary and Might of the Ancients, and he becomes a fearsome addition to the squad in his own right, rather than just a support element. Finally, invest in a Storm Shield to protect your investment, or a combi-melta for the same reason I mentioned above, and because it's not like you've got any psychic shooting attacks.

I was thinking something like this:

Commander(Relic Blade)

Librarian (Avenger, Null Zone)

5X Assault Terminators (LR Redeamer)

10X Sternguard (5x Combi-melta; Drop Pod)

10X Tac Squad (Missile Laucher, Flamer; Rhino)

10X Tac Squad (Missile Launcher, melta)

Predator (Las cannons, auto cannon)

Don;t go posting all those points costs and state lines. It's against the rules.

Also, you need 2 troops choices. I only see one Tac Squad.

And the Captain isn't going to help you, really. A chaplain would be a better choice.

Why would the libby even get out of the raider in the case of him being in danger? Null zone has a 24" range and in a transport that's measured from the vehicles hull. Since the Land Raider is a sizeable vehicle it's far more advantageous to the rest of your low AP fire to just leave the libby in it semipermanently. At the very least he should stay in it while the squad is charging dreads, MCs, scary deathstars with S8+ weapons etc. etc.

The librarian lacks an invulnerable without termie armor(+a SS ideally), but even with it he's a 2 wound model that can be IDed by a powerfist on a 3+. He's not super great in combat, but he is a very nice force multiplier that allows codex marines termies to deal with things they'd normally struggle against. The chaplain just makes them better against well, everything already good against. Either way there's little reason to put hiim in termie armor(though it works for libbies, it makes them even less potent in CC, while raising his cost by almost 50% ) as they both apply their full benefit straight out of the box.

Commander Endova wrote:Don;t go posting all those points costs and state lines. It's against the rules.

Also, you need 2 troops choices. I only see one Tac Squad.

And the Captain isn't going to help you, really. A chaplain would be a better choice.

Apologies, I fixed it. Just copied from excell, didn't think about it.

There are 2 Tac squads for the needed troops, but it was hard to read. I was thinking I could put the Commander with the combat squad in the Rhino to make them less helpless in CC to claim a forward objective.

imweasel wrote:Dont take a termie chaplain. Just take cassius.

Sweet, sweet truth.

He's a steal for the points and Litanies of Hate (yes, I'm aware that it's Litanies of Fury in this new codex but I will never call it that) makes your Hammers much more killy.

A friend of mine runs his BA Claw Termies with a Termie Chaplain and it is a nasty thing to see coming at you.

Being able to re-roll hits and wounds is nothing to be sniffed at, but if you can spare the points and have a power armoured Chaplain and a Libby with them, i can only imagine the situation for your opponent would only be worse.