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I've noticed a lot of codexes have this sort of wording for HQ choices, and sergeants, etc. Since you can replace either weapon for anything listed, can't you just take two of the same thing?

Example: DE archon can take two huskblades by swapping his pistol for one, as well as his close combat weapon.

Example: Commissar can take two power swords by swapping his laspistol and close combat weapon.

Is this okay, or is there something that says you can't do this?

You can do it, by what would be the point be? If you have a pistol and a power weapon you'd get the +1 attacks for 2 CCW, and your attacks would be power weapon attacks. If you got 2 power swords, you'd be paying double the cost for.....+1 attacks for 2 ccw and you attacks would be power weapons.

I guess you COULD buy two powerfists, or something so that you get the +1 attack for 2 of the same special CCW, but it just seems too points inefficient to be worth it.

ChrisWWII wrote:You can do it, by what would be the point be? If you have a pistol and a power weapon you'd get the +1 attacks for 2 CCW, and your attacks would be power weapon attacks. If you got 2 power swords, you'd be paying double the cost for.....+1 attacks for 2 ccw and you attacks would be power weapons.

I guess you COULD buy two powerfists, or something so that you get the +1 attack for 2 of the same special CCW, but it just seems too points inefficient to be worth it.

The obvious exception being lightning claws, as you usually get the second at a discount.

Is that really allowed?
That would make it a lot easier for us DE players

Samus_aran115 wrote:I've noticed a lot of codexes have this sort of wording for HQ choices, and sergeants, etc. Since you can replace either weapon for anything listed, can't you just take two of the same thing?

Example: DE archon can take two huskblades by swapping his pistol for one, as well as his close combat weapon.

Example: Commissar can take two power swords by swapping his laspistol and close combat weapon.

Is this okay, or is there something that says you can't do this?

I seem to recall something about 'no duplicate wargear on the same character' but it might be a holdover in my memory from WHFB.

Either way: yes. They're worded that way to allow some leeway with some characters who can take two-handed weapons or have multiple weapons which can be upgraded.

The Lord Commissar, as an example, 'may exchange his bolt pistol and/or Close-combat weapon for: Boltgun, Power weapon, Plasma Pistol, or Power Fist'.

Does that mean he can wield a boltgun and a power fist at the same time?
No. Does it mean he can replace his bolt pistol with a boltgun and his CCW with a Power Weapon/Power Fist?

Yes, it does. He'll never gain the +1 attack in CC, but it's a perfectly legal option.

ChrisWWII wrote:You can do it, by what would be the point be? If you have a pistol and a power weapon you'd get the +1 attacks for 2 CCW, and your attacks would be power weapon attacks. If you got 2 power swords, you'd be paying double the cost for.....+1 attacks for 2 ccw and you attacks would be power weapons.*

I guess you COULD buy two powerfists, or something so that you get the +1 attack for 2 of the same special CCW, but it just seems too points inefficient to be worth it.

*Note: And now you don't have a pistol to shoot.

It's largely for Power Fists, Lightning Claws and Thunder hammers. In the above example Kan did, if the Lord Commissar only exchanged his CCW for a Power Fist, he would still not get that +1 attack, due to the BRB ruling otherwise. However, with this option, they can now switch out the Bolt Pistol for the second Power Fist, granting +1. However as Chris and Walrus point out, this is only effective for Lightning Claws, as everything else would make the character horribly overcosted.

I was actually thinking of an agoniser+huskblade for some situations. (let's say tyranids.I could go with the huskblade for stuff like ripper swarms, while the agoniser could be used against carnifexii, etc)

But at 55 points, that's kid of dumb.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/280663.page

there was a thread about this a while back (3 or 4 months ago I believe) and there were two sides about the and/or wording, especially concerning duplicates.

My opinion is that yes you can take duplicates if its and/or, but no point in doing it unless its a PF/LC.

Tmonster wrote:Is that really allowed?
That would make it a lot easier for us DE players

Really? I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would help us.

asimo77 wrote:

Tmonster wrote:Is that really allowed?
That would make it a lot easier for us DE players

Really? I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would help us.

Help/increase the chance of stabbing yourself in the face with two Djinn blades???

asimo77 wrote:

Tmonster wrote:Is that really allowed?
That would make it a lot easier for us DE players

Really? I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would help us.

Two blast pistols Always got to get those darklight shots in. owait.

Galador wrote:

asimo77 wrote:

Tmonster wrote:Is that really allowed?
That would make it a lot easier for us DE players

Really? I can't think of anything off the top of my head that would help us.

Help/increase the chance of stabbing yourself in the face with two Djinn blades???

Djinn blades are wargear not replacement items so they are out also.
Nah i can't really figure out a handy way to use two.. But maybe some ubercool twin agoniser Archon?

Why would you do that when a simple pistol gives you an extra A

Of course having 2 whips would be pretty neat looking, or claws if we're going by the old-skool and vastly superior Agonizers