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Ok after reading the alpha legion book from the horus heresey I've decided they are awesome.

Out of all the traitor legions they may be the only ones that still have an actual Primarch(s?). They are masters of Subterfuge and clandestine operations, and you can never really tell what they are up to.

So here is the question.

Are Alpharius and Omegon traitors, or did they really do the right thing to destroy chaos?
If anyone can infiltrate chaos ranks w/ out being possesed entirely, its these guys I say.

Honestly we don't know. There may be some elements of the Alphas Legion that are still loyal to the Emperor but 10,000 years is a long time to hold on to your loyalty whilst being hunted down as traitors. There's more evidence to support that they are Traitors then loyal though.

There are instances of possessed Alpha Legion as well.

IA: Alpha Legion
During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack.

Pilau Rice wrote:Honestly we don't know. There may be some elements of the Alphas Legion that are still loyal to the Emperor but 10,000 years is a long time to hold on to your loyalty whilst being hunted down as traitors. There's more evidence to support that they are Traitors then loyal though.

There are instances of possessed Alpha Legion as well.

IA: Alpha Legion
During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack.

Well no matter who you are spending 10 millenia will warp your body no matter what your alleigance is.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:Honestly we don't know. There may be some elements of the Alphas Legion that are still loyal to the Emperor but 10,000 years is a long time to hold on to your loyalty whilst being hunted down as traitors. There's more evidence to support that they are Traitors then loyal though.

There are instances of possessed Alpha Legion as well.

IA: Alpha Legion
During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack.

Well no matter who you are spending 10 millenia will warp your body no matter what your alleigance is.

Tell that to the Eldar...

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:Honestly we don't know. There may be some elements of the Alphas Legion that are still loyal to the Emperor but 10,000 years is a long time to hold on to your loyalty whilst being hunted down as traitors. There's more evidence to support that they are Traitors then loyal though.

There are instances of possessed Alpha Legion as well.

IA: Alpha Legion
During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack.

Well no matter who you are spending 10 millenia will warp your body no matter what your alleigance is.

The Alpha Legion is possibly the only Chaos Legions that doesn't benefit from the extended lifespans of the other Legions as they don't reside in the Eye of Terror or Maelstrom, so would have to recruit normally. Of course there are going to be Alpha Legion who do live in the warp and are going to suffer the effects of it's touch. But the ones that do not, I guess, aren't going to be mutated like their brethren.

Miraclefish wrote:

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:Honestly we don't know. There may be some elements of the Alphas Legion that are still loyal to the Emperor but 10,000 years is a long time to hold on to your loyalty whilst being hunted down as traitors. There's more evidence to support that they are Traitors then loyal though.

There are instances of possessed Alpha Legion as well.

IA: Alpha Legion
During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack.

Well no matter who you are spending 10 millenia will warp your body no matter what your alleigance is.

Tell that to the Eldar...

The Eldar don't 'live within the Warp', the majority of Eldar live on Craftworlds with the Exodite worlds being a separate population entirely and both just utilize the Webway for travel.

The Webway is kind of a pocket dimension, it is connected to the Warp but separated from it through layered protections, etc.

Pilau Rice wrote:The Alpha Legion is possibly the only Chaos Legions that doesn't benefit from the extended lifespans of the other Legions as they don't reside in the Eye of Terror or Maelstrom, so would have to recruit normally. Of course there are going to be Alpha Legion who do live in the warp and are going to suffer the effects of it's touch. But the ones that do not, I guess, aren't going to be mutated like their brethren.

Them not being mutated has less to do with "they live in the Warp" and more to do with "they don't really follow any of the Ruinous Powers enough to draw attention".

They're pretty much not-involved in anything aside from starting up Cults, but a few Alpha Legionnaires have gone on to be blessed/cursed/poked by the Big Bad Four.

Kanluwen wrote:The Eldar don't 'live within the Warp', the majority of Eldar live on Craftworlds with the Exodite worlds being a separate population entirely and both just utilize the Webway for travel

I think his point was that the Eldar have been around for a long time and haven't suffered mutation.

Kanluwen wrote:
Them not being mutated has less to do with "they live in the Warp" and more to do with "they don't really follow any of the Ruinous Powers enough to draw attention".

They're pretty much not-involved in anything aside from starting up Cults, but a few Alpha Legionnaires have gone on to be blessed/cursed/poked by the Big Bad Four.

Kinda one and the same thing, living in the warp you have more attention on you from it's inhabitants than you would living outside of it, unless your actively hosting rituals looking for their attention. But yeah, your point is clearer and would've been my next one.

Shikamaru nara wrote:
Out of all the traitor legions they may be the only ones that still have an actual Primarch(s?).

Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus the Red and Lorgar all still very much exist. So the Alpha Legion is far from the only traitor legion to still have a Primarch.

It could be said that the Alpha legion is the only traitor legion that has a non Demon Prince Primarch(s). That statement, however, would be an assumption as GW has never confirmed they have a living Primarch, let alone whether or not he( or they) have became demon princes.

Just you wait...one day Matt Ward will poop all over your theories ^^

My own personal opinion is that no matter how noble Alpharion's original intentions were, they're now, after 10k years, a traitor legion and should be treated as such...KoS!

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

It could be said that the Alpha legion is the only traitor legion that has a non Demon Prince Primarch(s). That statement, however, would be an assumption as GW has never confirmed they have a living Primarch, let alone whether or not he( or they) have became demon princes.

Just that 'Alpharius' got killed by Guilliman

NiallCampbell wrote:
My own personal opinion is that no matter how noble Alpharion's original intentions were, they're now, after 10k years, a traitor legion and should be treated as such...KoS!

You also have to take into account that

I am certain that the Emprah was most pleased that his "loyal" son Arkos the Faithless turned the strategicaly important armory world Vraks into a massgrave.
Kernax Voldorius, elevated to daemonhood for his nefarious deeds, shall be forever known as a great and loyal servant of the corpsegod.
I am also quite certain that the once loyal Emperor's Swords harbour no hard feelings about getting anihilated/ corrupted by the Alpha Legion.
And perhaps the Legion's actions during the 13. Black Crusade should be regarded as the desperate attempt of the emprah's loyal sons to get home to daddy?

For a full show of the Alpha Legion's "loyality" i present you this timeline from The Serpent's Lair, a dedicated Alpha Legion Forum.
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Alpha_Legion_Forums/index.php?showtopic=766

TLDR, While Legion was an okish book people shouldn't put too much faith in it's rather weak "twist".

KingDeath wrote:
TLDR, While Legion was an okish book people shouldn't put too much faith in it's rather weak "twist".

I definitely preferred the Index Astartes version of the Alpha Legion, but the Legion stuff is kinda cool to.

Thanks for the link by the way

NiallCampbell wrote:
My own personal opinion is that no matter how noble Alpharion's original intentions were, they're now, after 10k years, a traitor legion and should be treated as such.

Same with Thousand Sons and Death Guard. They didn't really want to become traitors, but they decided to anyway out of circumstance. Now there's no going back, so they ran with it.

KingDeath wrote:I am certain that the Emprah was most pleased that his "loyal" son Arkos the Faithless turned the strategicaly important armory world Vraks into a massgrave.
Kernax Voldorius, elevated to daemonhood for his nefarious deeds, shall be forever known as a great and loyal servant of the corpsegod.
I am also quite certain that the once loyal Emperor's Swords harbour no hard feelings about getting anihilated/ corrupted by the Alpha Legion.
And perhaps the Legion's actions during the 13. Black Crusade should be regarded as the desperate attempt of the emprah's loyal sons to get home to daddy?

All good points, especially the one about Voldorius. I read roughly half of "The Hunt for Voldorius" by Andy Hoare. I couldn't finish it because the writing was terrible, but the overall story was neat.

TLDR, While Legion was an okish book people shouldn't put too much faith in it's rather weak "twist".

Well they can put their faith in the fact that the Alpha legion's intentions were originally good, but evidence over the last 10,000years points to them ultimately turning to chaos.

The Alpha Legion is probably is secretly worshiping the emperor

they have the same goal as the Imperium does. the survival of mankind.



they just go about it a different way.

I believed that half of the alpha legion went traitor and these so called alpha legionaries might be fakes.

Well, one of the Primarchs is still alive.


most likely, it is Omegon who's alive, but we can't be sure.

You know there are non corrupt members of the night lords right? (granted there not loyal, but the legion as a whole looks down on those who have been corrupted.) Plus very few AL warbands (if any) live in the EoT.
Sure there is defiantly evidence that some have gone full-chaos but there have also been marines from every loyal chapter except the GKs that have turned traitor and suddenly grew a 3rd arm.

I believe that alpha legion was loyal to the emperor at one point when they started what they did but somewhere along the way lost their way back to the emperor.

Orkymike wrote:I believe that alpha legion was loyal to the emperor at one point when they started what they did but somewhere along the way lost their way back to the emperor.

The Eldar told Alpharius to march against the Emperor so that the imperium survived

Those Xeno scum!!!

jonolikespie wrote:You know there are non corrupt members of the night lords right? (granted there not loyal, but the legion as a whole looks down on those who have been corrupted.) Plus very few AL warbands (if any) live in the EoT.
Sure there is defiantly evidence that some have gone full-chaos but there have also been marines from every loyal chapter except the GKs that have turned traitor and suddenly grew a 3rd arm.

We aren't speaking of a few AL warbands but every single observed Al warband which has been depicted until now. Each of them had nothing better to do than to undermine, destroy and enslave as much
of the Imperium as possible. I would just love to see how weakening the single last bastion of humanity, corrupt as it may be, in a time when the erradication of mankind as we know it ( and almost all other sentient races aswell ) is almost certain could be perceived as "staying loyal to the emprah". The Kabal's reasoning in Legion that together with the destruction of mankind comes the destruction of chaos is, of course, nonsense.
The Chaos gods were active long before mankind inherited the stars and they will stay active as long as there is any kind of sentient life.

KingDeath wrote:

jonolikespie wrote:You know there are non corrupt members of the night lords right? (granted there not loyal, but the legion as a whole looks down on those who have been corrupted.) Plus very few AL warbands (if any) live in the EoT.
Sure there is defiantly evidence that some have gone full-chaos but there have also been marines from every loyal chapter except the GKs that have turned traitor and suddenly grew a 3rd arm.

We aren't speaking of a few AL warbands but every single observed Al warband which has been depicted until now. Each of them had nothing better to do than to undermine, destroy and enslave as much
of the Imperium as possible. I would just love to see how weakening the single last bastion of humanity, corrupt as it may be, in a time when the erradication of mankind as we know it ( and almost all other sentient races aswell ) is almost certain could be perceived as "staying loyal to the emprah". The Kabal's reasoning in Legion that together with the destruction of mankind comes the destruction of chaos is, of course, nonsense.
The Chaos gods were active long before mankind inherited the stars and they will stay active as long as there is any kind of sentient life.

True but remember the chaos forces are constantly at war with each others.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Orkymike wrote:I believe that alpha legion was loyal to the emperor at one point when they started what they did but somewhere along the way lost their way back to the emperor.

The Eldar told Alpharius to march against the Emperor so that the imperium survived

I don't think it was the Eldar telling Alpharius to save the Imperium, but the Cabal telling Alpharius to destroy the Imperium in order to destroy Chaos.

I don't think Alpha is on the emperors side, but I don't think its really on Chaos's side either. I think I heard somewhere it joined Chaos because they saw that if they did not defeat the Emperor, then the Imperium would slowly die, like it has been. So, they saw Horus as thier best bet at preventing that slow death. Or maybe thier after something else?