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hey all,

found this discussion on another site.

The stormraven takes a locator beacon at +15 pts, if using the skies of blood to deploy a unit, within 6" of the stormravens final position after moving flat out, do they still scatter? (quote)

I say the don't scatter. You deploy as if you were deep striking. 6" within a locator beacon, what do you get? no scatter.

here's the link
what do you think
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291229


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The rules are on pg38 of the BA codex for quick ref.

Seems fine to me.

Sounds legitimate, though silly.

IMO it depend on how you interpret the rules.
If you read the rule and dont try to put them onto a battlefield perspective I would agree.

And then I dont know what the skies of blood does...

But I would assume that you deploy "as if" you had deep stroken (pardon my english) but you didn't, right? You dropped out of a transport?

if it is so, I would say that you do scatter.
Imagine you drop out of a flying transport onto a battlefield, further more that transport is going as fast as t can.. you definately scatter.

If you had deep striked then you would have teleported and then the locator beacon would have had the effect of a GPS, you pick a point within 6" the speed of the vehicule doesn't change a thing to that. Then you appear out of thin air right on the money.

But hey I'm no judge, what do you think?

This does not work.

The Locator Beacon only works for units which are arriving on the table/battlefield via Deep Strike.

A unit in a transport which is already on the battlefield/table, is not arriving on the table.

it's really just the interpretation that's got me hesitant about pulling this one on the board. 'Deploy as if DSing' and jump pack infantry with BA have the 'Decent of angels' rule they can use as well. which is a DS rule.

Mannahnin wrote:This does not work.

The Locator Beacon only works for units which are arriving on the table/battlefield via Deep Strike.

A unit in a transport which is already on the battlefield/table, is not arriving on the table.

The BA variant says nothing about arriving, just about deploying via deep strike. According to transport rules, disembarking is deploying a unit.

Interesting.

The BA locator beacon requires the unit to be Deploying via Deep Strike.

The Skies of Blood rule says the unit deploys as if Deep Striking.

Huh! I'm not sure if this is the intent, but it does look legitimate. Wow, that makes the Beacon a darn nice
upgrade for the SR. 15pts to make Skies of Blood totally safe as long as you do it within 6" of the SR.

I think that was the purpose behind the locator beacon.

I don't think that it counts as deep strike.

the issue is that the locator beacon says "any unit deploying by Deep Strike"

Skies of Blood(and Shadow Skies) say the unit deploys as if by Deep Strike.


so the rules actually support it working.

Mannahnin wrote:Huh! I'm not sure if this is the intent, but it does look legitimate. Wow, that makes the Beacon a darn nice
upgrade for the SR. 15pts to make Skies of Blood totally safe as long as you do it within 6" of the SR.

I think being within the range of the locator beacon is what balances it. You still have to drop near the SR if you want the benefit. Prevents you from dropping anywhere along where it took off from whilst moving flat out.

i was told by my local GW staff member that a locator beacon is in play all the time so dropping out of a raven and using it is totally legit. if it was a teleport homer then it would be a different case you have to use it for units who only DS 'ing in. seems strange though. you would think the 2 things would be exactly the same devise. but alas, it seems not to be.

No, you can only use a teleport homer for units that TELEPORT in.

The clues in the name on that one!

but still, the locater beacon on a Stormraven is usable by units using Skies of Blood to exit(its cleary the intended purpose)

naturally, if the Raven is itself deep striking then it can't use its own Beacon

Couldn't you use DoA to allow them to charge then too? Wow.. 24" move 6" deploy 6" charge. Seems legit...

DoA does NOT let you assault after deepstrike, thts heroic intervention. And, from memory, that only works from reserve...