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People of Earth, I have a couple of quick questions about ordnance barrage.

1) when you roll a hit for subsequent shots, can you place the new shot on top of the first. The rule book mentions that the marker can be placed anywhere in contact with the first marker, and that this can cause them to overlap. Some people claim that this means that it still have to place the new marker so that the edge of the new one touches the old one, and that the over lap is in reference to multiple subsequent shots landing on each other. But this makes very little sense when looking at a unit trying to concentrate multiple shots into a target?

2) In the guard codex, certain units have the "indirect only" rule. Does this mean that units without it can choose to fire as a normal weapon?

Thanks for your time.

Regardless how you overlap the circles, the edges touch.

Yes, they can fire direct but allow cover saves, et al.

Editing to add:
You may want to change the name of this thread also. . . .

Allowance to overlap means you can place them directly over.

As to your second question: no, kirsanth has it wrong. If it says Indirect Only, such as the Collosus, then you can ONLY fire it indirectly.

sharkticon wrote:2) Does this mean that units without it [the "indirect only" rule] can choose to fire as a normal weapon?

kirsanth wrote:Yes, they can fire direct but allow cover saves, et al.

nosferatu1001 wrote:As to your second question: no, kirsanth has it wrong. If it says Indirect Only, such as the Collosus, then you can ONLY fire it indirectly.

I think you mis-read it, nosferatu1001.

Or I did twice.

My understanding of the rule for multiple barrage is that a first round is rolled for scatter and so on. After the location of the first template is finalized, you roll only the scatter dice for subsequent blasts. A hit allows you to place the marker anywhere in contact (including full overlap or partial overlap, whatever gets the most hits), while an arrow forces you to place the blast in contact with the original blast, with no overlap in the direction indicated.

Some of the guard artillery, namely the griffon and colossus may only fire indirectly as they explicitly state they cannot fire directly. The basilisk can do both, and the medusa can only fire directly.

Yep, i read it badly

If you are "barrage' then, barring another rule prohibiting it, you can fire as a normal "non" barrage weapon AND you can fire as a barrage weapon, with or without LOS to the target. This gives you 3 "modes" of fire.

If you have trouble convincing someone that you can choose to place it directly over (which would be surprising), then just put a blast marker on top of another and ask if, at any point, the edges touch.

(Hint: They touch at every point.)