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Are there actual ogre pirates in fluff? I know there's the pirate maneater model, but I was wondering if it was actually possible?

And if it is, is there any stories involving them?

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Maybe in white dwarf. I don't think Ogres by themselves are smart or handy enough to make a sea-worthy ship capable of harrassing anyone else. The pirate Maneaters are just mercenaries. Though maybe he could rise to a high position among other pirates who know how to sail a ship.

   
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Yeah i think its just a Maneater mercenary who has served aboard a pirate ship. It would make cool fluff though

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DukeRustfield wrote: I don't think Ogres by themselves are smart or handy enough to make a sea-worthy ship capable of harrassing anyone else. The pirate Maneaters are just mercenaries. Though maybe he could rise to a high position among other pirates who know how to sail a ship.


There is nothing really in the OK army book that would suggest that they are by any means stupid. Although, it IS said in the book that they prefer to live in their mountains, close to the ever present "Maw" who they worship, so on this fluff based reason, I think that a crew of Ogre pirates would be extremely rare, although possibly a cool idea to pursue for an army.
   
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Well, it's emphasized that ogres are just about everywhere in the Warhammer world, so I was thinking of places people may not have done, and saw the Ogre Maneater model.

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BUT fluff would be extremely interesting if a mercenary maneater, while employed on a seagoing vessel or as a buccaneer, happened to come across a massive whirlpool in the sea.
So moved by the great watery maw, he decided to gather other Ogres to his band and became a pirate to be ever close to the sea-maw.

 
   
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it isn't unheard of for an Ogre mercinary warband to serve on a ship.


I could see their employer cheating them, they then eat him and take over his ship.

Ogres arn't stupid so much so as they are singleminded. they will try to eat anything and anything that isn't edible is usually turned into something to get something edible. or it gets tossed.


a Ship would certaintly be seen as useful.

Gnoblars can deal with all that navigating and furling the sails and stuff. Ogres can row the oars, but aside from that we need to be eatin.

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Grey Templar wrote:
Gnoblars can deal with all that navigating and furling the sails and stuff. Ogres can row the oars, but aside from that we need to be eatin.


The oars should be large and studded with iron, so that we can thump little buggers wot comes up and bothers us!
   
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Ogres are stupid.

They don't have the ability to craft anything (gnoblars are used for that). They don't even know how to load and use cannons, blowing themselves up frequently, turning them the wrong way, etc. They have to trade with Chaos Dwarfs and others to get any items other than the most basic of things. They have no written language except crude pictographs--not to be confused with hieroglyphs. And the one cut-out showing what an Ogre ate, including a loaded gun which killed him.

"Ogres have been described by scholars as 'thick as two short planks'. They have also been described as having enough intelligence to nail the planks together and beat the observer to a bloody pulp. There is some truth to this, for although the race is unable to create anything of lasting worth, they do have a knack for cobbling tegether weapondry out of whatever is on hand..."

   
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DukeRustfield wrote:Ogres are stupid.

They don't have the ability to craft anything (gnoblars are used for that). They don't even know how to load and use cannons, blowing themselves up frequently, turning them the wrong way, etc. They have to trade with Chaos Dwarfs and others to get any items other than the most basic of things. They have no written language except crude pictographs--not to be confused with hieroglyphs. And the one cut-out showing what an Ogre ate, including a loaded gun which killed him.

"Ogres have been described by scholars as 'thick as two short planks'. They have also been described as having enough intelligence to nail the planks together and beat the observer to a bloody pulp. There is some truth to this, for although the race is unable to create anything of lasting worth, they do have a knack for cobbling tegether weapondry out of whatever is on hand..."


that doesn't mean they are stupid.

it means they are brutally practical.


Ogres are actually quite shrewd bargainers. if someone cheats them in a deal then that person won't likely make it another 2 steps. they know when they get swindled.

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They've only recently learned the value of money in their entire races' history--and they are one of the early races of the Old Ones. I'm sorry, but "thick as two short planks" has nothing to do with being practical. They make it pretty clear they're stupid all throughout the book and all through White Dwarf. Orcs and Goblins are repeatedly called cunning or crafty or whatever, don't see that for the big guys.

In any paleological study of a race, they would fail on pretty much every account. They aren't even bronze age.

If you want to say your Ogres are supa-brilliant or just lazy geniuses, that's your business and it's certainly fluffable. But GW has put forth countless stories in their pages on the dumbification of Ogres as a whole and it fits with the universal fantasy stereotype, which GW pretty much always toes the line on.

And don't get me wrong, I loves the fat fatties. And yeah, it's not "fat" it's muscle. But they still look fat.

   
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Ogres may not be smart, but they are far from being dumb as rocks.


people underestimate their intelligence, mistaking simplicity and ignorance for stupidity.



Tribes in the Amazon don't understand our technology or point of view. they understand money on a fundamental level, but can't understand how credit cards or radios work.

does that make them stupid?


now, people here who use credit cards and don't know how credit works, THAT is stupidity.

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Grey Templar wrote:people underestimate their intelligence, mistaking simplicity and ignorance for stupidity.

Stop talking about them like you got an Ogre cousin and know them first hand :p People know their intelligence because it's all over the fluff they're stupid. P.264 BRB, the most recent official GW info:

"Ogres are dim-witted creatures obsessed with two things: eating and fighting..."

"They are famously slow on the uptake, but have a certain talen when it comes to matters of war..."

That and the Ogre book and White Dwarf stories all show Ogres to be big dummies. A tribal person of the Amazon, if you take him/her out, will eventually know the modern world. Maneaters with years exposure to the outside still only possess a rudimentary knowledge of money (per the fluff).

   
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DukeRustfield wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:people underestimate their intelligence, mistaking simplicity and ignorance for stupidity.

Stop talking about them like you got an Ogre cousin and know them first hand :p People know their intelligence because it's all over the fluff they're stupid. P.264 BRB, the most recent official GW info:

"Ogres are dim-witted creatures obsessed with two things: eating and fighting..."

"They are famously slow on the uptake, but have a certain talen when it comes to matters of war..."

That and the Ogre book and White Dwarf stories all show Ogres to be big dummies. A tribal person of the Amazon, if you take him/her out, will eventually know the modern world. Maneaters with years exposure to the outside still only possess a rudimentary knowledge of money (per the fluff).


Not everyone needs money though. What use does an Ogre have of money? They can just take anything they want, the only reason they have 'knowledge' of money now is that some of them are greedy for gold as well as food (and they already know the value of things like weapons etc.). It doesnt make them stupid just for not knowing about money.

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Someone has taken a crack at the concept. The painting isn't the best executed, but the idea is pretty neat.

http://pointhammered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=88

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