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I was playing a horribly laughable game of IG v IG(I was IG) and my opponent ran an mechanized infantry/heavy armor army while I was footslogging it. He had all his armor bunched up in his corner(spearhead deploy) and I started dropping earthshaker rounds on his valkyries. Some of the scatter moved it so it was on the wing which itself cover another tank. The center of the blast was over both the wing and the hull of the tank, but my opponent argued that the hull is only the square of the valkyrie(no wings/cockpit/tail).

Is this right or is the entire valkyrie count as hull?

BTW, he also said that treads on LRBT and chimera don't count as hull either, effectively reducing the size of his model greatly.

-cgmckenzie

Everything except antennas, banners or gun barres are hull. He was basically cheating. As for the basilisk hitting both vehicles... skimmers may not end their move on top of any other models, so tough luck for him if he insists on the RAW of models be allowed to end their moves underneath.

Is there a particular rule you are quoting here? The guy is a regular at my club and I want to be able to cite a rule to back up my argument of 'the whole damn thing is shootable'.

-cgmckenzie

BRB pg. 56 "Vehicles&measuring distances"
BRB pg. 60 "Shooting at vehicles"


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Oh, and of course:
BRB pg. 71 "Moving skimmers"

Thanks! Just to be clear, there are NO additional rules or FAQ/Errata regarding valkyrie hulls?

-cgmckenzie

Remember that just because a skimmer cannot finish its move over another unit, other untis can finish under them just fine.

Assuming otherwise is an error of logic

So you could hide scarabs underneath a monolith?

Yes

nvm, answered above.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:I was playing a horribly laughable game of IG v IG(I was IG) and my opponent ran an mechanized infantry/heavy armor army while I was footslogging it. He had all his armor bunched up in his corner(spearhead deploy) and I started dropping earthshaker rounds on his valkyries. Some of the scatter moved it so it was on the wing which itself cover another tank. The center of the blast was over both the wing and the hull of the tank, but my opponent argued that the hull is only the square of the valkyrie(no wings/cockpit/tail).

Is this right or is the entire valkyrie count as hull?

BTW, he also said that treads on LRBT and chimera don't count as hull either, effectively reducing the size of his model greatly.

-cgmckenzie

Sounds like a beardy player. Avoid him.

If he argues the two weakest points (Tracks & Wings) do not count as being a hit, something is wrong.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:Remember that just because a skimmer cannot finish its move over another unit, other untis can finish under them just fine.

Assuming otherwise is an error of logic

They are also supposed to be taken off their stand at the end of each movement and placed on the table. That's right in the Skimmer rules and most people seem to forget about it.

The only other time you can remove the base is when it is immobilized.

I just reread the skimmer rules. You don't take it off the stand at the end of each turn, you just have to be able to put the base on the ground it is occupying, so no hovering over other models.

-cgmckenzie

IdentifyZero wrote:They are also supposed to be taken off their stand at the end of each movement and placed on the table. That's right in the Skimmer rules and most people seem to forget about it.

No, that's a misconception. The rules say you are only allowed to remove the stand if the skimmer is immobilized or wrecked. I assume you're referring to the rule that says that a skimmer must be set down on the table at the end of its move - what that means is that you have to place the skimmer on the table STILL on its stand. You can't claim that's it's flying high above ground so your opponent is unable to hit it.

IdentifyZero wrote:They are also supposed to be taken off their stand at the end of each movement and placed on the table. That's right in the Skimmer rules and most people seem to forget about it.

That's because most people realise that it's not what that passage actually means. You're supposed to put the skimmer down on the table, rather than pretending that it's hovering up in the air. That's all. It doesn't tell you to remove the base at the end of the skimmer's movement.

What would be the point of the skimmer even having a base if it's only on the model while you're moving it?