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Hey guys...

Quick question.

If you are shooting at a target, and planning to assault it, and then your shooting totally destroys the target, are you allowed to assault something else in range??

I've seen this done loads of times in Batreps on here and on Miniwargaming.com. Can anyone point me in the direction of an official ruling on this please??? Rulebook page, or FAQ page or something..

Thanks

Sadly I dont have the rulebook on me for page reference but in the assault rules it states you may only assault the unit you shot at.

If the unit is destroyed you unfortunately are stuck where you are. The only exception to this I know of is you can shoot a transport and if you wreck it causing the passengers to disembark you may then assault them if in range.

Hmm, thanks...

Nah, sorry man, you can't do that.

The only exception is you can assault a unit that was inside a transport vehicle that you destroyed.

Would some of the rules under "Assaulting Multiple Enemy Units" (BRB pg. 34) come into play here? "As you move assaulting models, you may find it is possible to reach other enemy units that are close to the one you are assaulting." What do you think?

How are you assaulting the first unit, the one that no longer exists?

The first model has to assault the target unit. If it cannot reach btb, the assault fails and you cannot move anymore models.

No because you must follow all the rules for assaults. You first declare an assault against a single unit and then move closest to closest. Since you are limited to declaring assaults against units which you shot at you can't get past this first step anyway.

Didn't think about the ignore the assault if you cannot achieve base to base stipulation.
What if the enemy unit is vaporized (instant death) and leaves his boots (base) on the battlefield?

Sadly, you cant assault the boots. You can however urinate freely on them....or, if youre orks loot em!

Looted combat boots sound like they'd be uncomfortable.

Keep them as a trophy...

Yup. No assault. The only exception being that the vehicle/transport rules have a specific exception, allowing a unit which destroys a transport in shooting to still assault the passengers after they get out, despite them being a totally separate unit for all rules purposes.

Ok, well as much as it sucks, I'll play that ruling from now on... And may have to post to Miniwargaming.com that they're playing it wrong.... ^^

Vichyssoise wrote:If you are shooting at a target, and planning to assault it, and then your shooting totally destroys the target, are you allowed to assault something else in range??

no

Cheap - that answer is not correct, if the "thing" that was destroyed was a transport vehicle that contained transported troops.

ok, does that only work on dedicated trans or any?

Any transport.

Page 67, from memory, it allows you to assault the now disembarked passengers.

noice!!!

It's an explicit change from 4th as well.

as warning: ONLY the unit that destroyed the vehicle through shooting gets to assault the unit inside - noone else earlier. So dont shoot a vehicle with your troops ready to assault, unless you've VERY confident they'll blow it up, before other untis of yours have tried to kill the vehicle first.

I think I remember reading that rule now, not sure though

nosferatu1001 wrote:It's an explicit change from 4th as well.

as warning: ONLY the unit that destroyed the vehicle through shooting gets to assault the unit inside - noone else earlier. So dont shoot a vehicle with your troops ready to assault, unless you've VERY confident they'll blow it up, before other untis of yours have tried to kill the vehicle first.

Unless the other unit doesn't shoot at all/can't shoot (CC Termies), then of course it can assault the transport's passengers.

How do you shoot a transport with a unit that can't shoot? Might want to reread nos' post.

Jidmah wrote:How do you shoot a transport with a unit that can't shoot? Might want to reread nos' post.

No, I mean if you have two squads: one tac and one termie, for arguments' sake. The tac squad destroys a opponents' transport shooting, then surely both my tacs and termies can assault the passengers? Obviously the tacs cannot assault anyone else, but from what nos is saying, it sounds like I can't assault the passengers with the termies.

No, that ISNT what I was saying.

I was saying: ONLY the unit that shot and and destroyed the vehicle, OUT OF the units that shot the vehicle, are able to assault the unit.

Sam; It goes like this:

I have 3 units all with Plasma Pistols firing at the side armor of a rhino, and well within 6" of access points.

The first 2 units either hit and did little or missed(but still fired at it).

The third unit hits and wrecks the rhino.

Any other units within range can now shoot at the squad that just disembarked.

Of the 3 units that shot at the Rhino, only the Third unit can assault the unit that just disembarked from the now-destroyed rhino.

Any of the other units that shot at the now-disembarked squad may assault it as well, as can any unit that shot at nothing at all(either had not guns, or only had Heavy/rapid fire guns and wanted to assault the unit).

Ah, clarified, thanks

So nos is correct.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:So nos is correct.

This is almost always the case.

Mostly correct, I've made some classic booboos enough times

Sorry to dig up a dead thread but I need guidance. Does this mean i can only assault with the unit that actually blew it up? Or can i assault with say genestealers who were waiting nearby who cant shoot at all?

Eg.
Shoot with 2x Hive guard (a) and miss
Shoot with 2x Hive Guard (b) and destroy
10x Genestealers near have set up an ambush.

Can i then assault with Hive guard (b) and genestealers? Or can I assault with all 3? or just (b)?

Thank you for your help, I am returning to 40k after years of absence so am incredibly rusty, please be gentle