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So, I was wondering, for those that read Black Library books, how are the invunrable saves depicted in the lore?

Do bullets just go through them most of the time? Are they just really fast like the assassins? Or do they have shields like the Thousand Sons?

Just curious. I had trouble visualizing bullets going through them some of the time...

Horus Heresy talks about daemons shifting in and out of reality. So my understanding is they are only partially corporeal and therefore only hurt by physical attacks on occasion.

Well if you take a look at the stats for a Lord Of Change you will see that it has a far better inv save than the other greater daemons and that because Tzeentch himself is constantly feeding his greaters information from the near future so they get a sense of where a bullet is going to be in a second or so which makes it exceedingly hard to hit.

Nurgle daemons have redundant and rotting areas of their body so they don't feel pain as 'easily' as other daemons of the same class.

Slaanesh daemons are quicksilver fast in movement and so tend not to be where the attack is aimed at the time.

Khorne daemons, well, they're just too gone in the head to take any notice of minor issues like bodily destruction.

The new book Battle Of The Fang says something about bullets exploding before they reach Magnus so his inv would be on account of his mind fits, I mean psychic mastery putting up a barrier that works like some kind of iron halo on steroids.

Thats how I see it anyway.

Demons don't always fallow the laws of physics and so weapons either go through them, bounce off or the demons just comes back together.

its more like they don't have vital internal organs. just deamon flesh.


you have to actually rip their bodies apart instead of crippiling their vital signs.


if humans were just bags of flesh and could live without their internal functions(even for just the time space of needing to eat and take in energy) we would be nearly impervious to the small arms we use today.

all weapons would need to be .50 cal+ in size, close combat would still be common(hacking people apart with axes is more effective at stopping your limbs utility then shooting them off with a gun), and fragmentation weapons would be almost worthless.

If you've read Nemesis, the character Spear has daemonskin which is basicly the closest thing a human can have either than being an actual daemon. Basicly his can reknit himself and wounds, etc. But i'd have to agree with the fact that daemons don't follow the same rules of physics that this plane does, so who knows. For other things, like storm sheilds or iorn halos, i just assume that they're like force feilds.

Your also thinking the same laws of pain and damage apply to them, when die they just leave not die so they may not be damaged at all but may have another reason,even more so if they follow Tzeentch

Hmmm, to be fair, the whole Nurgle "I dont care you blew off half of my torso" is represented by Toughness and the feel no pain save, though that I guess that might only come in if you actually hit a vital area of the demon, and not just a random flesh bit that gets instantly reknit

The Thenezee precognition idea does make sense, especially for the big arms fire, and given they are tzeneeche I'd expect its a combination of that and telekinesis pushing bullets away.

I can totally buy that slaneshii daemons are just too fast to hit.

Its Khorne daemons that I always wondered about, but I really like the idea of them phasing in and out of reality, so you'd need to shoot them at their few seconds of vulnerably. Thanks peeps.

I think in one of the Grey Knights books, one of the characters cut a daemon in three times, but it just grew mouths where the cuts were and tried to eat him. They don't really follow our laws of bodily damage unless they're possessing someone.

Grey Templar wrote:its more like they don't have vital internal organs.

Actually, daemons manifested in the material universe do. They have a wierd biology, but they do have one once they're here.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:its more like they don't have vital internal organs.

Actually, daemons manifested in the material universe do. They have a wierd biology, but they do have one once they're here.

Citation needed? Where's this come from, I'd like to have a butchers?

htj wrote:
Citation needed? Where's this come from, I'd like to have a butchers?

Every description of daemons being chopped up? Crimeny, it's like you people never read even one fluff story.

Its totally down to the writers imagination... every daemon in the fluff seems to come to a different end in a different way... if they didn't it'd be pretty boring!

DarknessEternal wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:its more like they don't have vital internal organs.

Actually, daemons manifested in the material universe do. They have a wierd biology, but they do have one once they're here.

the key word here is Vital.


they might have organs. none of them vital.

Minor Ciaphas Cain spoilers.

New space marine game has the bloodletters blurring out of reality and back in close by where it was standing.

That works as well as anything else

DrDuckman wrote:Hmmm, to be fair, the whole Nurgle "I dont care you blew off half of my torso" is represented by Toughness and the feel no pain save, though that I guess that might only come in if you actually hit a vital area of the demon, and not just a random flesh bit that gets instantly reknit

That makes sense: in Dawn of War 2 the Great Unclean One sometimes says: "Attack me, I don't mind"

The way I imagine nurgle demons is that they're corporeal presence is just already so corrupted and "dead" that loosing part of their flesh won't do much. Until they loose too many "structure points" to keep on going.