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The current codex for the night bringer states that it can ignore armor saves. So basically, if im reading this correctly, If the night bringer wounds a model meeting or exceeding the wounds of the enemy. Even if the other model has eternal warrior, it can be killed outright?

Are you asking if the Nightbringer wounds a model more times than it has wounds, does that model die?

Pretty much, Does the night bringers ability to negate invuls, also negate EW?


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Hm, i must of read the codex wrong. It does say only instant death.

Nightbringers ability to ignore any kind of saves allows him to kill any model less the 5 wounds in one go?

...I don't think you understand how Eternal Warrior works. If anything causes more wounds than the model has in its W profile, the model dies. That's...that's how the game works.

Eternal warrior means that the model cannot suffer from instant death. For example, a Space Marine Librarian is T4 with 2 wounds. If he takes a wound from a lascannon, he loses BOTH wounds, because that shot was double his toughness, thus causing Instant Death. There are some psychic powers that do this as well.

Captain Lysander is a T4 model with 4 wounds that also has eternal warrior (let's pretend he left his storm shield at home for this example). If he did not have EW, a single lascannon could gib him as well as it does the librarian. Since he has the Eternal Warrior rule, making him immune to Instant Death, 1 lascannon wound will simply knock him down to 3 wounds.

If, on the other hand, he took 4 lascannon shots and was wounded by all 4, it would take him down to zero wounds and he would be dead. Eternal Warrior does not interact with this situation at all.

In a similar fashion, the Nightbringer is Str 8, right? This means that if the Nightbringer does one wound to a Space Marine Librarian, he causes Instant Death due to being double the toughness of the libby. If the Nightbringer does one wound to Lysander without his stormshield, Lysander takes one wound, because he has Eternal Warrior.

Eternal Warrior is not a save. It is a rule. The ability to negate invulnerable saves has nothing to do with the ability to deny Eternal Warrior. The Nightbringer does NOT deny Eternal Warrior.

Thanks for the clarification! I had a bud that enjoyed Killing my Sanguinus with one blow each time we met in close combat, this should make things a bit more manageable.

BC - as Dark said, EW stops the model from suffering Instant Death. The Ctan would normally cause a marine captain to suffer instant death, as he is S10 vs T4 marine. He takes one unsaved wound (as he has no saves he can make, you ignore them all) and then follows the instant death rule - all remaining wounds are lost

If lysander, or Logan, take an unsaved wound that would normally cause Instant Death, they ignore it - thats what Eternal Warrior does.

So, in order to kill Lysander you would need to cause 4 unsaved wounds, not the one you would normally need against T5 or less models.

Just for clarification, since you were misunderstanding the rule before, as Nos said, if the Nightbringer causes Lysander an unsaved wound that would normally cause Instant Death, he still does take a wound, but he ignores the Instant Death aspect of that wound. So he would just have one wound knocked off instead of all of them.