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say I have a unit of 12 burnas in the shooting phase 6 of them fire their weapons and then the squad assaults. Are the group that fired and the group that can use their burnas as power weapons treated as separate groups for wound allocation

youbedead wrote:say I have a unit of 12 burnas in the shooting phase 6 of them fire their weapons and then the squad assaults. Are the group that fired and the group that can use their burnas as power weapons treated as separate groups for wound allocation

I do not think you can treat them as separate groups ( they all still have Burnas ).To be able to do that,you will have to change some of them to Meks or change weapons on the boyz themselves.

I would say so. You have two different weapon qualities in there - the power weapon burnas (that did not fire), and the normal attacks from the burna boyz (who did fire). Some deny armour saves, others don't. Need to be rolled separately.
Owait, *wound allocation*. No, in that case, all the same group. Just note which wounds are Power Weapon wounds by using coloured dice when rolling to wound.

I'm pretty sure if one burna fires his weapon, ALL of them fire their weapons. If one has a power weapon, they ALL have power weapons. Gotta say though I really hope I'm wrong cause that would be an awesome abuse of rules

cyberscape7 wrote:I'm pretty sure if one burna fires his weapon, ALL of them fire their weapons. If one has a power weapon, they ALL have power weapons. Gotta say though I really hope I'm wrong cause that would be an awesome abuse of rules

You are incorrect you can choose to fire any number of Burnas, the ones that did not fire get to count their CC attacks as PW attacks as per the Burna rules. They do not count as different wound allocation groups, they are identically equipped.

cyberscape7 wrote:I'm pretty sure if one burna fires his weapon, ALL of them fire their weapons. If one has a power weapon, they ALL have power weapons. Gotta say though I really hope I'm wrong cause that would be an awesome abuse of rules

You're wrong, and it isnt abuse

Read the shooting rules, and note that members of a unit can elect NOT to fire.

So you roll the save as a unit but then could just remove the models that already fired

youbedead wrote:So you roll the save as a unit but then could just remove the models that already fired

Exactly. Models are only different in game terms if their stat line or wargear differs. Nothing checks if they have any other differences(like used combi-weapons or fired burnaz). For those calling abuse, you usually can't shoot all 15 flamethrowers at a unit even if you wanted, simply because there isn't enough room for placing all templates without touching friendly models.

Unless youre in an open topped vehicle.

Then all the flamers come from one point. Nasty

You are highly unlikely to assault with more than one model after doing that

nosferatu1001 wrote:

cyberscape7 wrote:I'm pretty sure if one burna fires his weapon, ALL of them fire their weapons. If one has a power weapon, they ALL have power weapons. Gotta say though I really hope I'm wrong cause that would be an awesome abuse of rules

You're wrong, and it isnt abuse

Read the shooting rules, and note that members of a unit can elect NOT to fire.

Fair enough. Always nice to learn something new This is going to make my orky games a lot funner

You'll find IG vet squads do it all the time - firing just the plasma to deny terminators / marines / etc any cover saves, while the rest of the unit hides round the side of the chimera.