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Q: Several units have the option to include a named
character as a boss, are they added to the unit or, like a
nob, do they replace one of the existing boyz? (p99-
103)
A: They are added to the unit.

So if they are added to the unit, what does this mean?

Things that come to mind:

-You don't have to pay for the the base cost as in snikrot would not include the cost of a kommando.

-As they are "added" to the unit, you can exceed the maximum model count. A kommando squad, for example, is 5-15 kommandos. Now I would be able to take 15 kommandos and "add" snikrot to the unit resulting in a squad of 16.

-What does "led by" mean? Led by does not mean upgrade and there is no indication that I can't upgrade a boy into a nob if I take snikrot.
I bring this up because I've always played it as special characters replacing the nob but that is clearly not the case as the character is merely added on.
Keep in mind that nob has Ld7 while snikrot has Ld8. For Ld purposes, the squad WOULD be led by snikrot. The model with the highest Ld would be leading the squad and all morale tests would use his Ld.

All references to snikrot above also applies to all special character upgrades.

1) This is true; he is added for 85pts and you don't have to pay for a Boy to upgrade him from.

2) This is also true.

3) This is wrong. The text says 'instead of a Nob' which I would say is a pretty clear indication you can't take one if Snikrot is present.

The only unit you have to PAY for the upgrade to is Captain Badrukk, as he specifically costs "+135 points". So you have to pay the 25 pts for a Flash Git for him.

All the other Ork special characters are simply "x points" and "instead of a Nob, may be led by..."

check the new FAQ, the special additions are just additions. No base purchase needed.

Q: Several units have the option to include a named character as a boss, are they added to the unit or, like a nob, do they replace one of the existing boyz? (p99-103)
A: They are added to the unit.

The FAQ question addresses the issue of whether or not the named character replaces a Boy or is purchased in addition to the Boy. It doesn't address the points cost.

So the FAQ says that the special character is added to the unit.

This means you can buy a unit of 10 Flash Gitz (unit size for Flash Gitz is 5-10) and then you can ADD Badrukk to the unit, meaning that you now have 10 Flash Gitz plus Badrukk. Previously, it was commonly interpreted that Badrukk counted as one of the units. So you'd have 9 Flash Gitz, and Badrukk.

However, the FAQ doesn't change that Badrukk's line says "+135 pts" which to me means that you have to pay 135 on top of the cost for a Flash Git. It just doesn't count as the unit limit anymore once you make it Badrukk.

Other named leaders are more explicit. Zagstrukk costs 85 points, period. Snikrot is phrased the same way.

We're going to have to agree to disagree likely on this one. If the unit max is 10 flash gitz and then you pay the points for them. If I understand you correctly you are suggesting that you would pay for another flash gitz thus making it 11 (which you can't do) then upgrade him to Badrukk?

That's a strong grip I'd say you had on that '+'. Some might say that it doesn't reference 'upgrade a Flash gitz' like the Boys entry does. Instead it says 'may be led by'.

So the '+' somehow means add it to a Flash gits that you have to pay for even though it's beyond the unit size?

Well, I have a strong grip on that "+" because that's how the entirety of the codex is written. A Nob is "+10". A Painboy is "+30". You pay the Boy cost, then upgrade to Nob. You pay the Nob cost, then upgrade to Painboy. It's all over the codex.

Snikrot says he costs 85 Points. So does Zagstruk. No "+".

Badrukk doesn't. He's specifically "+135". I agree it seems off, and it always has since the Codex was printed, but it hasn't been Errata'd, so that's what you have.

Not that it matters anyways... who really takes Flash Gitz?

It has been errataed. Today.

Murrdox wrote:Well, I have a strong grip on that "+" because that's how the entirety of the codex is written. A Nob is "+10". A Painboy is "+30". You pay the Boy cost, then upgrade to Nob. You pay the Nob cost, then upgrade to Painboy. It's all over the codex.

Snikrot says he costs 85 Points. So does Zagstruk. No "+".

Badrukk doesn't. He's specifically "+135". I agree it seems off, and it always has since the Codex was printed, but it hasn't been Errata'd, so that's what you have.

Not that it matters anyways... who really takes Flash Gitz?

Ha! you're right about the Gitz, but you are agreeing with me now. Baddrukk doesn't have the 'upgrade' mention so the '+' argument is a futile one. I don't think you'll get very far making a stance about how the other situations have 'upgrade' while the one you're attempting to include doesn't. (wow that was wordy)

So in your understanding how do you build a full Gitz squad w/ Badrukk. Step by step please. (I can only imagine how many points it will be. Ha.)

Buy 10 gitz. Buy Badrukk. 11 members in your squad.

-cgmckenzie

Badrukk is 135 points, you don't have to pay for a Flashgit. It doesn't use the "upgrade" verbiage or anything like that. The + sign simply means that you add 135 points to the cost of the unit to include Badrukk.

They clarified that Badrukk is 0+135, since he is not an upgrade to anything other than the squad.

Homer

Homer S wrote:They clarified that Badrukk is 0+135, since he is not an upgrade to anything other than the squad.

Homer

Oh goody, everyone can get on to still not taking him then.

It's too bad that Badrukk isn't just a normal HQ choice. If he were just a Warboss special character like Ghazz, he'd see a lot more play.

The only thing that's really BAD about him is that he's got an Assault 3 weapon with Gets Hot!, and only 2 wounds. I've never used him in a game, but he's got a pretty high chance of killing himself over the course of a game.

Murrdox wrote:It's too bad that Badrukk isn't just a normal HQ choice. If he were just a Warboss special character like Ghazz, he'd see a lot more play.

The only thing that's really BAD about him is that he's got an Assault 3 weapon with Gets Hot!, and only 2 wounds. I've never used him in a game, but he's got a pretty high chance of killing himself over the course of a game.

with 3 ammo runts, a 3+ armor save and the possibility of FNP, I'd say he's got a fairly slim chance of killing himself over a whole game. Just save the runts for the 1's.