New Warhammer Historical Rules: Gladiator and Waterloo

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**kenshin620**

Well looks like there finally some more movement for Warhammer Historical, yet another napoleonic ruleset though. I'm sure WAB fans feel a bit more disappointed unfortunately (well...theres always other games like clash of empires!). Funny thing to note, a lot of the images I see in the Waterloo book are also used by Perry Miniatures!

http://warhammer-historical.com/index.html

Price: £36.00
Battles in the Napoleonic Wars were brutal and bloody. Vast armies fought with musket and bayonet on rain-soaked fields, half-blinded by acrid smoke and deafened by the ceaseless barrage of distant artillery. Men fell in great swathes, marching to death or glory to the rhythmic beat of drums.

Waterloo is a tabletop miniatures game for two or more players, set against the backdrop of the Napoleonic Wars. With these rules you are the general, with an army of miniatures at your command, representing the forces of France, Britain, Prussia or their allies. This rulebook is focussed on the campaign and battle of Waterloo, the climax of the Napoleonic Wars, but the rules within allow you to recreate battles from across the entire period (1792-1815) and even beyond.

This 288 page hardback book contains all the information you need to get started, including full rules for fighting tabletop battles in the Napoleonic era, army lists and historical orders of battle, a brief history of the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, a complete campaign to get you started, and a hobby section detailing how to collect, assemble and paint your army of miniatures. In addition, you will find an inspirational showcase of beautifully painted models and lavish illustrations.

Price: £20.00
Written by Barry Hill, Gladiator enables players to recreate the brutal arena combat of the Roman Empire on the wargames table.

This full colour 144 page hardback rulebook contains rules for gladiatorial arena contests featuring human combatants, wild animals, elephants and chariots as well as mass battle spectacles and mock sea battles. Full rules and background are provided for gladiators of both the Imperial and Republican eras, along with ten action-packed scenarios and a detailed campaign system that allows rival gladiatorial schools to compete in several different periods of Roman history.

The Gladiator rulebook is packed with inspirational photography and a detailed hobby section covering collecting, assembling and painting gladiatorial miniatures.

The Gladiator rulebook contains:
Full rules for movement, shooting and combat as well as rules for including wild animals, elephants and chariots in your games.
Rules and background for gladiators of both the Republican and Imperial eras.
A brief history of gladiatorial combat.
Ten action packed scenarios.
Rules for the naumachiae - gladiatoral sea battles!
Rules for Roman chariot racing, including the famous chariot race featured in Ben Hur.
A detailed campaign system for developing your fighters, including rules for setting your campaigns during different periods of Roman History.
Inspiring photographs and hobby section for reference when collecting and painting your gladiator miniatures.

**Empchild**

Soooooooooo happy!

**Starfarer**

Never gotten into historical gaming, but Gladiator looks cool.

**wana10**

Hmmm, I'm mighty tempted by Waterloo. I've always been interested in the War of the Ring rules but never had an opponent. I may be able to sway a few people I know with this new setting for the rules.

**RandyMcStab**

Unhappy that WAB still gets no love...especially as they have supplements submitted by the authors, they just refuse to release them...

**Scott**

Hmm.

I just ordered the gladiator-combat rule-set "Red Sand, Blue Sky", and now WH releases not-Spartacus-revolt rules. I'll give this a look once it gets into the shop... might have to purchase it as well.

**Shibboleth02**

kenshin620 wrote: Funny thing to note, a lot of the images I see in the Waterloo book are also used by Perry Miniatures!

Not sure why you would think that is odd. The Perry Bros have been sculptors for GW for forever, as well as sculpted a good portion of the Wargames Foundry napoleonic and AWI lines, which were THE main lines for collectors for years. On top of that, they've had their own company for some time, and were some of the first in innovative use of plastics for Napoleonics. The Perry Bros and Victrix have really transformed the historicals market.

Given their role in that historicals plastics movement, their long time obsession with the Napoleonic period, and their great relationship with GW, it's really no surprise.

As for the books, I'm a sucker for pretty rulebooks, even if I don't play the period. One of my favorite GW books was "The Great War" and I don't even play WW1.

Very pretty scenery, great armies in it.

**Le Grognard**

kenshin620 wrote: Funny thing to note, a lot of the images I see in the Waterloo book are also used by Perry Miniatures!

Turn that statement around and you got it right. Images by Perry Miniatures are used in the Waterloo book.

**12thRonin**

Which has held true for about every WAB book ever released...

**LavuranGuard**

hmm Waterloo might be the rules to finally get me to enjoy shuffle-gaming*!

*Shuffle-gaming: any wargame where you form up in blocks shuffle towards the opponent exchange a small amount of missile fire before running out of evening and claiming that the game is a draw because it could go either way, examples inlcude most Napoleonic, Ancient, and Renaissance rules.

**Lovepug13**

Cadaver wrote:Never gotten into historical gaming, but Gladiator looks cool.

Ditto :-)

**VikingScott**

Gladiator sounds pretty nifty. My group had found some chariot racing on the net but this opens it to all gladiatorial stuff and for rival schools. Nice. Might have to get that.
Napolionics don't interest me at all compared to ancients so that's a miss.

**Druidic**

oooohhh, Sparticus on the tabletop... Nice timing!

**Empchild**

Druidic wrote:oooohhh, Sparticus on the tabletop... Nice timing!

Yaaaa they already have that for WAB. In fact it's called spartacus. This is just more of a skirmish extension they decided too add in.

**Korraz**

Super Duper Mystery Box is going to be a 200 bucks set with a couple of 1/35 gladiator miniatures. Metal.
Calling it now.

**kenshin620**

Korraz wrote:Super Duper Mystery Box is going to be a 200 bucks set with a couple of 1/35 gladiator miniatures. Metal.
Calling it now.

What?

**RatBot**

I think he means that he thinks September's "Mystery Release" will be a Gladiator boxed game with several 1/35th scale Gladiator minis.

This is highly unlikely, IMO, since I don't think the decision makers at GW are even aware they have a branch that produces Historical games.

Or I'm misunderstanding his statement.

**davidjones**

With so many Napoleonic rules around, great ones at that and also the Black Powder option, I can't really see what the market is.

**Kilkrazy**

It probably cost about £5 to produce them so they don't have to sell many copies at £30 to make a profit.

Lots of people will buy the Warhammer rules because they are Warhammer.

**WhiteSkyBanshee**

I don't want to sound stupid, but where do you get get the mini's (If there are any) or do you make them? I can't find any.

**kenshin620**

Although truth be told aside from WAB, most of them are quite different from warhammer

heck Legends of the Old West is a modification of the LotR rules!

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WhiteSkyBanshee wrote:I don't want to sound stupid, but where do you get get the mini's (If there are any) or do you make them? I can't find any.

You buy them from historical miniature manufacturers?

UNLIKE franchise games like Warhammer, historicals are exactly what they say they are, you play history. Theres no IP to force customers to buy certain companies (aside from of course certain time periods only covered by certain companies and of course the material and quality from each company)

**Kilkrazy**

There's a zillion billion historical figure manufacturers in every scale from 2mm to 54mm. Refer to the Historical Games forum for more information.

I don't know how different the Warhammer Historical rules are. I've got Trafalgar, which has a to hit roll, a damage roll and a saving throw, the same as 40K. The basic mechanism is the same. No-one would play it and think they've made an radical departure from the 30 year old ideas in basic Warhammer.

**WhiteSkyBanshee**

Are there any 25mm historical companies people would recommend?

**theHandofGork**

Perry Brothers, Warlord & Victrix all make fine models.

**kenshin620**

Those are 28mm though

I know that old glory has a wide range of 25mm models but never bought any

Essex also makes some but once again I dont know what they're like

**kenshin620**

Theres a review of the gladiator game (basically using a modified LotR system)

http://www.magpiegamer.me.uk/miniatures/ancients

Seems like a mixed bag. Someone fro TMP commented

Oh great. Another expensive, yet poorly edited and hole-ridden set of rules!