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Alright SO my first Storm of magic game is tommorow at 3000 points with my high elves! this is my list i tried to fit a solid amount of wizards in it while still haveing an army lol here it is

LORDS-747

Prince
Draogn Armour
Shield
Vambraces
Radiant Gem of Hoeth (level 1 Wizard-undecided on which lore to take)

Archmage (life)
lvl 4

Archmage (Metal)
lvl 3

HEROES 333

Noble
BSB
Great Weapon
Armour of Caledor
Gaurdian Phoenix

Mage (high Magic)
Level 2
Seerstaff

CORE 760

25 Spearmen
FC
Lion Standard

25 Seagaurd
FC
Mask of EEE

SPECIAL 1155

19 Phoenix Gaurd
FC
Banner of Sorcery

24 Swordmasters
FC
Razor Banner

9 Dragon Princes
FC
Banner of Ellyrion

SO this is what ive got, I am dead set on keeping one of my big mages on being a metal mage, with a decent bonus to casting and the relativley small values of the metal cataclysm spells its a good mix, i want to keep the biggest mage a life one for obvious reasons (highelves are pansys life is great..) i figure with the flux dial and the 50 50 bonus to high magic my lower level mage will balance out (ill be taking VAuls unmaking and gaurdian im thinking) i would love to have some white lions instead of Sword masters in here but i just don thave the model power unfortunetly so i stuck em with a razor banner to help with any pesky armour saves some bignasties might have.

Comments/critiques pls!

Cheers
Mike



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OH and my SoM allowance is as follows

Dawnstar sword-200 (on the prince)

Arabyan Puzzle-250 (one the lvl 3 or 4)

Fire Dragon-300

I dont have any other monster models and i think half of them look ugly anyways lol plus i like dragons and i figure my wizard prince will be able to fend off his fulcrum with relative ease weilding that sword (or go monster hunting if i am at dominance)

A couple things
For the Lvl 1 Prince I would suggest beasts in case you get the buffs like Savage Beast

Also Seaguard can not have Mask and only one HE core can have a Magic Banner

Prince
Draogn Armour
Shield
Vambraces
Radiant Gem of Hoeth (level 1 Wizard-undecided on which lore to take)
You should give him the silver wand to effectively make him lv2

Archmage (life)
lvl 4
No magic items? Book of Hoeth is an easy winner here, I'd make points for it

Archmage (Metal)
lvl 3
I'd drop this in favor of more points in troops, 6 levels of magic is plenty

HEROES 333

Noble
BSB
Great Weapon
Armour of Caledor
Gaurdian Phoenix
Looks god here

Mage (high Magic)
Level 2
Seerstaff
I'd drop him in favor of something like Caradryan or a character killer, your prince can take up the lv2 slot

CORE 760

25 Spearmen
FC
Lion Standard
good stuff

25 Seagaurd
FC
Mask of EEE
Mask not really needed, not personally a fan of seaguard but YMMV

SPECIAL 1155

19 Phoenix Gaurd
FC
Banner of Sorcery
Run 25+ or leave them at home. You want them to soak wounds and protect what I assume to be your lv4

24 Swordmasters
FC
Razor Banner
These are generally better run in smaller kill teams like 2x7

9 Dragon Princes
FC
Banner of Ellyrion
Not sure why you have 9 as no characters appear mounted. Better off in 2 units of 5 for flank charges

keep in mind this is a storm of magic game and i want lootss of wizard power, i went for 2 arch mages so that i had 2 very strong fulcrum holders (personally i will never ever run book of hoeth-unless entering some kind of can competetive tourny) the seagaurd champ can have a 25 point magic item and thats why i gave him the mask theres going to be monsters so with the unit causing terror they wont be affected by it if i am peicing that together correctly

the sword masters i normally do run in 2 regs of 12 but i figured with all the uber spells and large monsters i need the unit to be aable to soak up wounds.

if i drop my level 3 and my level 2 wizard ill only be left with 2 wizards.... i do not see that being a logical desicion for storm of magic, i want to be able to take the fulcrums and have decent wizards in them so they dont get knocked off.

lore of beasts was definately one of the lores i was thinking of for my prince, because of the ability to buff him although on the other hand if i give him high magic then there is a 50/50 chance he will have much more effective casting.. and with 2 seperate mages running the gaurdian spell and drain magic i can shut down enmy magic phases and spread ward saves across my half of the field... stil undecided however

i took seaguard btw because i am lacking int he spearmen models department they are expensive they fill up core points and against big things that dont have an armour save stand and shoot is sometimes that little extra bit of shooting that brings it down (like the last woundor 2 on a charging giant )

also the reason my prince isnt kitted out for casting (ie silver wand) is because i gave him dawnstar sword so that even with his 1 wizad level he will be extremyl difficult to knock of that fulcrum always going first, 8 attacks, always hitting, and potentialy always wounding and if im lucky 2d6 multiple wounds...

rocksteadygreeny wrote:keep in mind this is a storm of magic game and i want lootss of wizard power, i went for 2 arch mages so that i had 2 very strong fulcrum holders (personally i will never ever run book of hoeth-unless entering some kind of can competetive tourny) the seagaurd champ can have a 25 point magic item and thats why i gave him the mask theres going to be monsters so with the unit causing terror they wont be affected by it if i am peicing that together correctly

Looking at the SeaGuard entry in the HE codex and it does not say this anyhwere....

the dragon princes i just want to have them he;ping in the centre feild by flanking units the spears or seagaurd are having issues with, being heavy cav they will attract attentinon and being T3 they wont deal with the attention very well lol running them 6-7 wide with a couple spare wounds basically. although i may try to rearrange it so that i can fit another FC in and split the unit into 2

PG are at 19 i would feild more if i had more, they will have my bsb and lvl 2 mage inside it along with my prince, i want the whole army to mve forward until im close enough my prince can snag a fulcrum right up in the enemys face while my level 2 is roaming the battle feild in his unit with the bsb back up shutting down enemy fulcrums and maybe right at the end of the game raising my own for him to be in it.

my level 4 and level 3 will be in fulcrums the whole time if i can hel;p it, level 4 will be standing in the one that i get my hands on first then the level 3 then the prince and last the level 2. theenix gaurd STILL have a 4+ ward save and mixed with lore of metal to give them a 3+ armour save (or a 2+ ward save with cata spell) they will still be able to soak in combats, bsb will be in the unit to help add combat res and killy power along with the prince unyil its time for him to hop in a tower.


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oh snap your right! thats totally my bad i overlooked that one, dooly noted and wil hav changes made accordingly!

rocksteadygreeny wrote:


Your list bleeds all sorts of shame for HE everywhere.

LORDS-747

Prince
Draogn Armour
Shield
Vambraces
Radiant Gem of Hoeth (level 1 Wizard-undecided on which lore to take)

Archmage (life)
lvl 4

Archmage (Metal)
lvl 3

You dont need a prince and 2 Archmages. They have no protection and its a waste of points. Just take 2 archmages and give one the 70 point staff that gives +1 casting and +1 dispel. Thats plus 6 to dispel and is extremely useful. Also, give the other archmage the item that makes the opponet roll twice on the miscast table, cause it also works on the arcane fulcrum table. Give one shadow and one metal. You will see why later...


HEROES 333

Noble
BSB
Great Weapon
Armour of Caledor
Gaurdian Phoenix

Perfect

Mage (high Magic)
Level 2
Seerstaff

good. Remember, pick vauls forge for artifacts and flames of the phoenix. If you do not have the points, just take silver wand and hope for the best. He should mostly be for magic duels.

CORE 760

25 Spearmen
FC
Lion Standard

25 Seagaurd
FC
Mask of EEE

NO NO NO NO NO. Take a huge block of spearmen and 2 sets of archers. Never take seaguard in 8th edition. They cost way to much. Also get rid of the Lion Standard and the mask of eee. Both are useless. Just put a magic resistance banner on the big block of spearmen.


SPECIAL 1155

19 Phoenix Gaurd
FC
Banner of Sorcery

This is fine, but they are better at 21 models, with 7 wide 3 deep.

24 Swordmasters
FC
Razor Banner

Same as the guard but dont take the razor banner. White lions are still better in every way. Especially with all the monster running around.

9 Dragon Princes
FC
Banner of Ellyrion

Good, but not fantastic. I really have no opinion on these guys.


SOM 25%

You can only take 1 magic item

Dawnstar sword-200 (on the prince)

Arabyan Puzzle-250 (one the lvl 3 or 4)

Fire Dragon-300

This is terrible.... no offense. Ive played now 5 games of SoM and I find this combination fantastic.

LvL3 Truthsayer with life magic. Life magic is a crutch, but has its uses. You will want those basic life spells in regular games, but in SoM you want the other lores even more.

Chimera. Upgraded of course (self explanatory)

Arabian Puzzle Box





NOW GO TEACH HIM THE MEANING OF PAIN

I disagree with the poster above me on everything but that 70 point staff comment

well i played my 3k game today, and won a massacre victory. my prince did exsaclty what i wanted, ran into the centre feild and out of 6 fulcrums he sat in the one that was right dead centre of his army, one turn downed the mage (you can have 2 items in a grand army wich is 3k + btw)

lore of life was absolutley devastating! throne of vines and having dominance the entire time (with the puzzle box on my lvl 4 life mage) ment me casting irresistable force on jsut about everything replenish my dragons wounds (which btw managed to take an entire flank single handedly holding up hundred upon hundres of points of enemy models trying to take him down, plus anytime my swordmsaters or PG started getting low, just IF the 30+ cast spell on them boom full health.

the level 2 took vauls and shield, i really only used his vaul spell a couple times downing some of the magic items on his general and mages other than that he was shutting fulcrums down to ensure that i kept dominance, or forcing out dispel dice or power dice to take it out.

yes as i stated above i wouldve liked to ran WL rather than SM however not having the models for it opted for jsut summoning a unit of 10 WL to hunt down the Cygor he had (which they did with exceptional effeciency)

y in the world would you run PG 7 wide? i do not see the gain in that, PG are an anvil you want staying power (ie ranks, good save,) the idea isnt to knock out a boat load of weenie str 4 attacks its to hold somthing in place. i wound up runing the dragon princes in 2 units one did a nice job destroying some fast cav unit the other took out some monsters and got a rear charge, i think all in all i will be runing them as one units, because do to the fact that they are so weak after the first round i want that extra 4-5 attacks from the supportiing rank at str 5 to try and bust down the unit they are charging better.

these are my points that i found in my SoM game, personally i liek the setup of my list it worked really really well for me, ESPECIALLy the prince, he was nothing but ruthless efficeincy and even my opponent at the end of the game said there was no way i was going after him, i was scared of that dude.

as for magical duels, i dont think i want to use them, its a neat cantrip but id rather just take what fulcrums i hav in my table half fill them up with my 3 wizards, toss my prince in his PG bodygaurd unit, send him right up front get in the enmys face take on of their fulcrums and form that point kepp and hold the dominance, they will need to destroy one of your mages in order to stop your dominance from happening and with a 3++ save its not easy, and once your at dominance you are no longer worrying about the enemy mages, waht the point use your overpowering magical precense to crush the ARMY while he tries to get rid of your wizards


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and yes i lost the mask of eee as ralin pointed out that i overread, the lion standard stuk on my spearmen because well yea monsters cause fear and terror....lion standard ignores these things soooo it was not dropped lol



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someting i would like to point out hta ti think went very much in my favour was on the first turn i shut down one of his fulcrums giving me an immediate dominance which aloud both my magic items and my casters to be supercharged right form the get go lol

rocksteadygreeny wrote:well i played my 3k game today, and won a massacre victory. my prince did exsaclty what i wanted, ran into the centre feild and out of 6 fulcrums he sat in the one that was right dead centre of his army, one turn downed the mage (you can have 2 items in a grand army wich is 3k + btw)

lore of life was absolutley devastating! throne of vines and having dominance the entire time (with the puzzle box on my lvl 4 life mage) ment me casting irresistable force on jsut about everything replenish my dragons wounds (which btw managed to take an entire flank single handedly holding up hundred upon hundres of points of enemy models trying to take him down, plus anytime my swordmsaters or PG started getting low, just IF the 30+ cast spell on them boom full health.

the level 2 took vauls and shield, i really only used his vaul spell a couple times downing some of the magic items on his general and mages other than that he was shutting fulcrums down to ensure that i kept dominance, or forcing out dispel dice or power dice to take it out.

yes as i stated above i wouldve liked to ran WL rather than SM however not having the models for it opted for jsut summoning a unit of 10 WL to hunt down the Cygor he had (which they did with exceptional effeciency)

y in the world would you run PG 7 wide? i do not see the gain in that, PG are an anvil you want staying power (ie ranks, good save,) the idea isnt to knock out a boat load of weenie str 4 attacks its to hold somthing in place. i wound up runing the dragon princes in 2 units one did a nice job destroying some fast cav unit the other took out some monsters and got a rear charge, i think all in all i will be runing them as one units, because do to the fact that they are so weak after the first round i want that extra 4-5 attacks from the supportiing rank at str 5 to try and bust down the unit they are charging better.

these are my points that i found in my SoM game, personally i liek the setup of my list it worked really really well for me, ESPECIALLy the prince, he was nothing but ruthless efficeincy and even my opponent at the end of the game said there was no way i was going after him, i was scared of that dude.

as for magical duels, i dont think i want to use them, its a neat cantrip but id rather just take what fulcrums i hav in my table half fill them up with my 3 wizards, toss my prince in his PG bodygaurd unit, send him right up front get in the enmys face take on of their fulcrums and form that point kepp and hold the dominance, they will need to destroy one of your mages in order to stop your dominance from happening and with a 3++ save its not easy, and once your at dominance you are no longer worrying about the enemy mages, waht the point use your overpowering magical precense to crush the ARMY while he tries to get rid of your wizards


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and yes i lost the mask of eee as ralin pointed out that i overread, the lion standard stuk on my spearmen because well yea monsters cause fear and terror....lion standard ignores these things soooo it was not dropped lol



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someting i would like to point out hta ti think went very much in my favour was on the first turn i shut down one of his fulcrums giving me an immediate dominance which aloud both my magic items and my casters to be supercharged right form the get go lol

Good to hear High Elves are winning almost every SoM game. And yes, people may have different opinions as to how they make their our armies, but in the end HE are HE. Good luck and may the pheonix king bless you.