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Just like the title says, I'm looking to find what book exactly explains the final battle between them. Or is it documented anywhere else?

They aren't at that point in the HH books yet.

coolyo294 wrote:They aren't at that point in the HH books yet.

Seriously? So we know that The Emperor killed Horus, but all this time no one knows any specifics?

Yeah.

WTF

Actually there's a book Horus Heresy Collected Visions that goes into it:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Collected_Visions

I mean its not exactly in expansive detail but the story has been in every BRB.

There's also a detailed version in Slaves to the Darkness.

nectarprime wrote:WTF

It's almost like they're saving that for the last book in the series or something.

There's a semi-detailed account of the end in the Horus Heresy board game rulebook. I think there's like a 3 or 4 page story of how the final battle goes, how it ends, and what happens after.

Thats the main problem with the HH series.

everyone knows how it ends, we just don't know exactly how it got there or the actual details.

I have no idea who's going to have the 'honor' of actually writing about the seige of terra and the final confrontation, but its probably going to be a hotly contested position. and then they can all go off on their little post herest rabbit trails.

The authors are all probably a little wary of going a little too far towards the battle for terra too quickly.


this whole mess is like a good mystery novel that has had the ending spoiled. but you have no clue about the middle parts.

The book "Visions of Heresy" has a complete detailed account of the final battle between the Emporer and Horus.

yeah, but the events around it are vague.

the books about the battle for terra will probably just do an exact copy paste from that.

Grey Templar wrote:yeah, but the events around it are vague.

the books about the battle for terra will probably just do an exact copy paste from that.

The Black Library books don't really copy/paste stuff, aside from the opening page about THERE IS ONLY WAR and somesuch. I imagine it will be suitably gargantuan when they get to it.

Noisy_Marine wrote:There's also a detailed version in Slaves to the Darkness.

At least some of that has been thrown out by now though too. No more Olianis Pius, now it's some schlub Imperial Fist.

I found it in the "White Dwarf" magazine number 78... You can find a .pdf copy of it in the web...

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:There's also a detailed version in Slaves to the Darkness.

At least some of that has been thrown out by now though too. No more Olianis Pius, now it's some schlub Imperial Fist.

When the original background is slowly but steadily replaced by gak, I find it healthier to act as if the retcon never happened.

I'd rather have the stuff from the late 80s/early 90s high in the "canon ladder" and ignore the boltern porn and terrible and inconsistent character development from more recent years.

Edit: holy cow, didn't check the dates on the first posts. Threadomancy!

 Korinov wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:There's also a detailed version in Slaves to the Darkness.

At least some of that has been thrown out by now though too. No more Olianis Pius, now it's some schlub Imperial Fist.

When the original background is slowly but steadily replaced by gak, I find it healthier to act as if the retcon never happened.

I'd rather have the stuff from the late 80s/early 90s high in the "canon ladder" and ignore the boltern porn and terrible and inconsistent character development from more recent years.

Edit: holy cow, didn't check the dates on the first posts. Threadomancy!

yes because a random human being chosen to board the flagship of the traitors when the emperor could literally choose from hundreds of super human warriors makes faaaar greater sense. here's the thing, that retcon might be retconned as well, the HH books have featured an individual named Olianis Pius

It didn't make too much sense, yes, as 99.9% of 40k's fluff.

It made a point about the Imperial Guard's way of life and "badass normal" status.

Of course, eventually someone at GW thought that was too cool for a guardsman, so he had to be replaced by a spesssss mehreeeeen. It's been retconned several times already anyway, and IMO the original version is still the best.

Unless you're too much in love with spesss mehreeens and feel the need to have them doing all the things all the time.

 Korinov wrote:
It didn't make too much sense, yes, as 99.9% of 40k's fluff.

It made a point about the Imperial Guard's way of life and "badass normal" status.

Of course, eventually someone at GW thought that was too cool for a guardsman, so he had to be replaced by a spesssss mehreeeeen. It's been retconned several times already anyway, and IMO the original version is still the best.

Unless you're too much in love with spesss mehreeens and feel the need to have them doing all the things all the time.

To be fair, much as I love Pius, why would he be on Horus' ship?

At least a Space Marine would likely be following the Emperor up, more likely a Custodes. But a rank and file infantryman? There'd better be a good reason for it.

Coolness has nothing to do with it. It's about logic. Why would the Emperor want a mere human on his elite kill team instead of an Astartes, unless:
A) He forsees that Pius will be useful. Otherwise known as lazy writing, but feasible. Still then raises the question of why does he hesitate to kill Horus if he sees the future?
B) Pius is more capable than a Space Marine, at which point the idea of human empowerment is lost, because he's not just a random human.

It's got nothing to do with loving Space Marines. It's more to do with logic.

It will be interesting to see where they go. Perhaps towards the end of the siege of terra Pius is actually an imperial army dreadnought brimming with lascannons!

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
It didn't make too much sense, yes, as 99.9% of 40k's fluff.

It made a point about the Imperial Guard's way of life and "badass normal" status.

Of course, eventually someone at GW thought that was too cool for a guardsman, so he had to be replaced by a spesssss mehreeeeen. It's been retconned several times already anyway, and IMO the original version is still the best.

Unless you're too much in love with spesss mehreeens and feel the need to have them doing all the things all the time.

To be fair, much as I love Pius, why would he be on Horus' ship?

At least a Space Marine would likely be following the Emperor up, more likely a Custodes. But a rank and file infantryman? There'd better be a good reason for it.

Coolness has nothing to do with it. It's about logic. Why would the Emperor want a mere human on his elite kill team instead of an Astartes, unless:
A) He forsees that Pius will be useful. Otherwise known as lazy writing, but feasible. Still then raises the question of why does he hesitate to kill Horus if he sees the future?
B) Pius is more capable than a Space Marine, at which point the idea of human empowerment is lost, because he's not just a random human.

It's got nothing to do with loving Space Marines. It's more to do with logic.

The battle was originally in Horus' bunker.

 Korinov wrote:
Edit: holy cow, didn't check the dates on the first posts. Threadomancy!

I didn't notice it either till you pointed it out. How far are people going when they read on Dakka?

There will be a Black Library book...

In about 25 years once they have explored every single possible side plot, minor storyline, etc.

It also won't happen until the timeline of the storyarch is so confused and obfuscated that you have lost all grasp of the sequence.

But look forward to a story about everything possible first - Perturabo clips his toenails, Sanguinius picks out new curtains, the Salamanders form a bridge school.

This is why I don't bother with the books any more. Once they get back to the actual storyline and tell the big picture stuff I might go back to it.

Oh and by the way the closest you'll get that I know of is Visions of Heresy.