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Hi All

Just started Fantasy, well about 8 month ago if i'm honest but i've only played twice, and looking for some CC and on my current lists plus idea and advice on where i'm going.

1000 point

Wargor
Shield
Heavy Armour
Ramhorn Helm
Talismen of Endurance
Warrior Bane

20 Bestigors Full Command

3 Minotaurs EHW
Bloodkine

10 ungor raiders
Muscician

10 ungor raiders
Muscisian

30 Gors Full Command

to get to 1500

i'm going to add

Slugtongue

Make the Wargor a Battle Standard Bearer

30 ungors with Spears
Full Command
Ungrol four horn

Just a little bit of insight now into where i'm coming from. I play imperial guard mostly and although the list I use most now a days is mech, I still love my infantry horde.

I don't really want to go with a chariot based list, beastmen fluff IMHO lends itself more to hordes and I've heard from a lot of people that their core units are quite solid. Hordes also seems like a good idea to compensate the lack of shooting and armor the army appears to have. At higher points I have ambitions of running 2 or more 40 strong ungor spear hordes.

I originally bought two of the starter boxes as it seem like a good place to start and threw a trio of minotaurs in. Slugtongue seems like a fairly could purchase mainly due to him dishing out damage before the game even starts. I love Ungrol so really wanted to get him in my army.

The two games I had I've lost one and drawn one but it was pretty much a loss if i'm honest. Both Games were against empire my main problems seem to be getting into combat (although I think this is partly due to a poor grasp of rules on my part, keep forgetting about march), losing lots of troops before I even get into combat (although i'm hoping this can be countered by numbers, marching and ambush) and finally when I get into combat not doing as much damage as I would like (empire knight and warshrines).

thanks for reading

Spank

To take out warmachines try running 2x6 harpies with scouts instead of the raiders.

Harpies would do you some good. Minos are tough at this level, with Minos and Centigor you really need to base your list around them. In 1k I'd leave that am home. Here are 2 lists you might have more success with at this level.

Great-Bray-Shaman- Level 3 -Additional Hand Weapon -Jagged Dagger-Talisman of Endurance -Ironcurse Icon 249
Wargor -BSB -Heavy Armor -Shield -Gnarled Hide -Beast Banner -Many Limbed Fiend -Gougetusks 241
Gor Herdx40 -Full Command -Additional Hand Weapons 345
Razorgor 55
Razorgor 55
Harpiesx5 55
1000
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Great-Bray-Shaman- Level 3 -Talisman of Endurance 230
Wargor -BSB -Heavy Armor -Shield -Gnarled Hide 131
Gor Herdx34 -Full Command -Additional Hand Weapons 297
Beastigorx20 -Full Command -Standard of Discipline 285
Harpiesx5 55
998

The first list only has one block of infantry which can hold you back a bit but does have the beast banner so your Gor are hitting at S4, if the GBS gets a Wyssan off your Gor are now S5 T5. Savage Beasts of Horros big version? Now your Lord and Hero are putting out 11 WS5 S5 attacks even better if Wyssans is on the unit as well. The lack of bestigor is compensated by the razorgor and harpies, these will allow you to screen and dictate when you fight. T5 pig can hold up a unit for 1-2 turns which will buy you time to destroy a unit before moving onto the ones they have stuck.

List 2 gives you that 2nd block which some like, in 1k you might be able to get away with 1. The GBS goes with the Bestigor and with the standard gives the the blocks LD9 as they should be within range of inspiring presence which is nice for primal fury. The one thing I do not like about this is there is not enough points to fit in a crown of command for the bestigor, also I like to horde my Gor and 34 is possible but after shooting there isn't much left.

If you are saying I can't afford harpies or razorgor, you can convert your own, tyranid gargoyal wings on some ghouls or daemonettes even ungor and for the razorgor use the orc boars with chaos spawn bitz.

You want a BSB, our Primal Fury is so important you want to be able to re-roll those failed Ld tests. Also the Greater Bray Shaman also offers magic defense in addition to buffs and the like. Don't think you have to stick with Lore of Beasts, Shadow and Death are also good, avoid Wild it is not good.

I'm not really sold on Razorgors over mino. I'm fairly new at fantasy so maybe i'm missing something but the stats lines don't seem different enough for them to be the obvious better choice.

Is it best just to forget about shooting altogether? is that why harpies are the better choice.

Do what you want I'm just saying, Gor with BSB/Beast Banner is a must as is a GBS. Run what you feel like. As for the shooting, it's lack luster. BS3 with short bows, you are likely going to be at -1 if not -2 for shooting, either range or movement or stand and shoot or a combination of 2. Then when you do hit it's S3. Meh maybe 1 wound, but they have their uses, I used a unit last game to charge some Gladeguard that saved me against a round of shooting. Let us know how the 3 minos do with no BSB watch out for cannon balls cause 1 can kill you can force a panic test with no reroll and with frenzy you could be lured out of inspiring presence.

SpankHammer III wrote:Hi All

Just started Fantasy, well about 8 month ago if i'm honest but i've only played twice, and looking for some CC and on my current lists plus idea and advice on where i'm going.

1000 point

Wargor
Shield
Heavy Armour
Ramhorn Helm
Talismen of Endurance
Warrior Bane

20 Bestigors Full Command

3 Minotaurs EHW
Bloodkine

10 ungor raiders
Muscician

10 ungor raiders
Muscisian

30 Gors Full Command

to get to 1500

i'm going to add

Slugtongue

Make the Wargor a Battle Standard Bearer

30 ungors with Spears
Full Command
Ungrol four horn

Just a little bit of insight now into where i'm coming from. I play imperial guard mostly and although the list I use most now a days is mech, I still love my infantry horde.

I don't really want to go with a chariot based list, beastmen fluff IMHO lends itself more to hordes and I've heard from a lot of people that their core units are quite solid. Hordes also seems like a good idea to compensate the lack of shooting and armor the army appears to have. At higher points I have ambitions of running 2 or more 40 strong ungor spear hordes.

I originally bought two of the starter boxes as it seem like a good place to start and threw a trio of minotaurs in. Slugtongue seems like a fairly could purchase mainly due to him dishing out damage before the game even starts. I love Ungrol so really wanted to get him in my army.

The two games I had I've lost one and drawn one but it was pretty much a loss if i'm honest. Both Games were against empire my main problems seem to be getting into combat (although I think this is partly due to a poor grasp of rules on my part, keep forgetting about march), losing lots of troops before I even get into combat (although i'm hoping this can be countered by numbers, marching and ambush) and finally when I get into combat not doing as much damage as I would like (empire knight and warshrines).

thanks for reading

Spank

Get rid of the Bestigors and take more Minotaurs.
Get rid of all of the Ungor and take Gors in 2 blocks 1 w/ hw and shield and 1 with 2 hand weapon (ambush that unit).

Do what you want I'm just saying, Gor with BSB/Beast Banner is a must as is a GBS. Run what you feel like. As for the shooting, it's lack luster. BS3 with short bows, you are likely going to be at -1 if not -2 for shooting, either range or movement or stand and shoot or a combination of 2. Then when you do hit it's S3. Meh maybe 1 wound, but they have their uses, I used a unit last game to charge some Gladeguard that saved me against a round of shooting. Let us know how the 3 minos do with no BSB watch out for cannon balls cause 1 can kill you can force a panic test with no reroll and with frenzy you could be lured out of inspiring presence.

Thanks for your help, might have to look into the Harpies not sure about the piggs. Harpies I can see replacing the raiders, same point cost and like you said their shooting is a bit meh. The Pigs get (IIRC) what 1 more move and 1 more toughness but 1 less intiative, no wargears options, no stomp and Not sure about this bit no impact hits

The raiders have done alright (better as a distraction than an actual threat) first game they managed to down a few pistoliers/ouriders and the last game I played I managed to pull off an ambuish turn 1 where they turned up behind his army. They dies horribly but distract his flagellants for a while.

The mino have been a bit meh but I think a lot of it is down to me using them poorly, leadership wise they've been ok so far. I will be getting a BSB for 1500 points though.

Get rid of the Bestigors and take more Minotaurs.
Get rid of all of the Ungor and take Gors in 2 blocks 1 w/ hw and shield and 1 with 2 hand weapon (ambush that unit).

I've been really impressed with my Bestigors actually, last game they did really well. The striking last hurts but that just makes me think I need to take more of them to soak up the intial damage or get them a Hero with buff to their save or adding a ward save.

I do plan on getting a second block of Gors, as you desribed, to just as you said but I was probably going to do it at a higher level. I really want to use ungrol and had planned on using at least two 40 stong blocks of ungors with spears. I've heard they make a failry solid/cheap core.


How to warhounds do?
and how have people found centaurs?

I think a lot of Beastman players have found Bestigor working far better than Minotaurs for the points. I'd drop the Minos for a bigger unit of Bestigor.

You need a BSB. Full stop.

I've been very underwhelmed by Ungor raiders and I'd tend to look towards Harpies to take out warmachines.

Valete,

JohnS

I've not really made my mind up on Mino's yet. first game they were up against a warshrine they held in there for ages but without Great Weapons they just weren't hurting it and the second game I lost one to pistolier and a volley gun and then other two to the same volley gun. they would have doen better I think if I hadn't forgot about marching

oh and apparently I can't take warrior bane, so I have 5 points left

cygnnus wrote:I think a lot of Beastman players have found Bestigor working far better than Minotaurs for the points. I'd drop the Minos for a bigger unit of Bestigor.

You need a BSB. Full stop.

I've been very underwhelmed by Ungor raiders and I'd tend to look towards Harpies to take out warmachines.

Valete,

JohnS

I've found 2 things about Beastmen.

1. Minotaurs stomp guys into the ground and get better.
2. Bestigors charge, get a handful scooped up, maybe kill a few guys, then they run away and you're picking them up and putting them away. After cussing yourself out for not taking Minotaurs.

The only solace in owning a big unit of Bestigors is knowing that they'll kick butt in the next book.

Bestigors are awesome, don't listen to the above poster. The thing with Minos is you really need like 6+ which just isn't going to happen in a 1k game due to the high point cost. As for the Bestigor WS4 S6 attacks with hatred are so lame... not. The thing about them is they do need stubborn so stick a GBS or Beastlord in them with Crown of Command, also the standard of discipline is awesome with your general LD9 or 10 with Primal Fury is awesome, minotaur cannot have a magic banner =(.