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So me and a buddy of mine were talking about the 40k lore the other day and our limited knowledge of the universe could not decide on two things:

1. Is there any relationship between the Warhammer 40k Emperor and the Warhammer Fantasy Emperor and/or Sigmar?
2. How long has the Emperor been around?
3. Do Orks grow hair? Some of my Ork/Gretchin models have hair but we were unsure whether these are added trophies of some sort or if hair occurs naturally?

Thanks!

1: There used to be, but not anymore.
2: Pretty damn long.
3: Orks don't have hair. What you're seeing is actually a Hair Squig.

mazik765 wrote:So me and a buddy of mine were talking about the 40k lore the other day and our limited knowledge of the universe could not decide on two things:

1. Is there any relationship between the Warhammer 40k Emperor and the Warhammer Fantasy Emperor and/or Sigmar?
2. How long has the Emperor been around?
3. Do Orks grow hair? Some of my Ork/Gretchin models have hair but we were unsure whether these are added trophies of some sort or if hair occurs naturally?

Thanks!

1. No relation.
2. A really, really, really long time. Over 10000 years.
3. Finally, something I know a lot about. No, Orks don't have "hair". They do have something known as a "Hair Squig", which is a squig/parasite which pretends to be hair. Some Orks like them, and keep them attached, and stylized. You have the Ork 'dex, right? I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

1. No idea, but it wouldn't surprise me

2. supposedly 8k before the first millenium
Read http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor

3. I don't know if the lore has changed but I remember from 2nd edition 40k that orks didn't grow hair but would attach it. I think it was some sort of hairy bugger that they would actually just have bite their head or face and it would just hang like a beard or ponytail.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

mazik765 wrote:So me and a buddy of mine were talking about the 40k lore the other day and our limited knowledge of the universe could not decide on two things:

1. Is there any relationship between the Warhammer 40k Emperor and the Warhammer Fantasy Emperor and/or Sigmar?
2. How long has the Emperor been around?
3. Do Orks grow hair? Some of my Ork/Gretchin models have hair but we were unsure whether these are added trophies of some sort or if hair occurs naturally?

Thanks!

1. No relation.
2. A really, really, really long time. Over 10000 years.
3. Finally, something I know a lot about. No, Orks don't have "hair". They do have something known as a "Hair Squig", which is a squig/parasite which pretends to be hair. Some Orks like them, and keep them attached, and stylized. You have the Ork 'dex, right? I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Weird. I must have missed the part about the hair squig.

Also, about the emperor, we were talking about the events of his birth, where various powerful shaman and warp-sensitive individuals committed suicide at once, or some such, allowing him to be born. I was under the impression that this was at the dawn of man, whereas my friend says it was during a time that is future to us, but far past to the 40k universe. Which is closer to being accurate?

mazik765 wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

mazik765 wrote:So me and a buddy of mine were talking about the 40k lore the other day and our limited knowledge of the universe could not decide on two things:

1. Is there any relationship between the Warhammer 40k Emperor and the Warhammer Fantasy Emperor and/or Sigmar?
2. How long has the Emperor been around?
3. Do Orks grow hair? Some of my Ork/Gretchin models have hair but we were unsure whether these are added trophies of some sort or if hair occurs naturally?

Thanks!

1. No relation.
2. A really, really, really long time. Over 10000 years.
3. Finally, something I know a lot about. No, Orks don't have "hair". They do have something known as a "Hair Squig", which is a squig/parasite which pretends to be hair. Some Orks like them, and keep them attached, and stylized. You have the Ork 'dex, right? I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Weird. I must have missed the part about the hair squig.

Also, about the emperor, we were talking about the events of his birth, where various powerful shaman and warp-sensitive individuals committed suicide at once, or some such, allowing him to be born. I was under the impression that this was at the dawn of man, whereas my friend says it was during a time that is future to us, but far past to the 40k universe. Which is closer to being accurate?

Believe it or not, both. What your friend is referring to is when the Emperor re-appeared, after learning the secrets of the warp (or some such nonsense), to help guide humanity and gain control during the Age of Strife, which was around M23-M30. But, yes, he was apparently a bunch of shamans combined into one when he was born. Or so the legend goes.

1 no
2 hell of a long time
3 "hair squigs" not actual hair

He's (iirc) Persian/Antalusan(sp?). Born long in our past. He was St. George (the dragon is a certain Ctan currently imprisoned on Mars) and a plethora of other historical figures.

The Emperor was born approximatly around 8000BC in what is now Turkey. over the millenia he has been various historical figures, the only one that is actually named is St George from St George and the Dragon(which is when he imprisoned the C'tan known as the Void Dragon on Mars to seed mankind with advanced technology)

If there are any other figures he has actually been recorded as being I don't know of them.

To get the easy ones out of the way first:

2) He is old as dust (and is almost all dust)
3) They used to have "hair squigs" that were essentially a hairpiece with teeth.

As to 1): There used to be somewhat of a "combined" universe in the early years of GW. Fluff wise it used to be hinted that whatever planet the Warhammer Fantasy was located on was actually a planet that was either settled in the past and then lost in the Age of Strife(sp?) or otherwise cut of from the Imperium of Man due to a warp storm or something. Another possible explanation was that the difrerent races were transported there due to a warp mishap of some sort. If I recall correctly there were even some magical items that were basically 40K weapons that were treated as relics from a time past.

I don't know if GW officially denies this connection at this point, but they no longer pursue it in any way that I am aware off. Current fluff is 2 completely (but somewhat similar) worlds.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:3. Finally, something I know a lot about. No, Orks don't have "hair". They do have something known as a "Hair Squig", which is a squig/parasite which pretends to be hair. Some Orks like them, and keep them attached, and stylized. You have the Ork 'dex, right? I'm sure it's in there somewhere.

Not just the Orks; Warmaster Abaddon and Ragnar Blackmane both appear also to be modelling hair squigs.

Hair squigs are quite popular with CSMs. After 10,000 years your hairline wouldn't be much to talk about either.

Indeed, Abbaddon is sporting quite an impressive specimine.

There should be a Facial Hairsquig.

You simply attach the hair squig to your chin and presto, your looking as fine as Dumbledore

TheAngrySquig wrote:You simply attach the hair squig to your chin and presto, your looking as fine as Dumbledore

HAHAHAHAHA!

Epic...