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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 19:40:41
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Can Nob Bikerz have combi weapons?
If so, can they: fire their dakka gunz, fire their one off shot (or the shoota), AND assault?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 19:42:50
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Unless they gain the ability to fire two ranged weapons, they may only ever fire one. They may take what ever upgrades to the squad that are available, including combi-weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 19:44:14
Subject: Re:Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes, Nobs on Bikes can have a combi weapon.
They are still limited to firing one gun per model. So, you can pick the TL-Dakka Gun or their combi-weapon to fire. Not both.
Also, there's no reason to make a poll. This is a very straightforward question.
Also, since all weapons are assault weapons, there's no issue at all about assaulting after firing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 19:50:56
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Horrific Horror
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I guess I need to run over that section of the rule book again :-D. I assumed combi weapons were allowed, but somebody said they weren't so I looked in the rule book and there was nothing specifing putting them on a bike would cause them to not be allowed to have the weapons, but nothing said they could keep them either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 22:38:00
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They can have them, and nothing ni the codex prohibits you from using them so you may still use them.
As noted above Infantry can only fire one weapon, and you follow the rules for Infantry unless specified otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 22:54:26
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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I was fairly sure there was somewhere that said that Attack Bikers can fire both the TL-Bolter and the Sidecar Weapon b/c they had two wounds. However, it would be a case of being TFG if you did so, but the BRB would be in your favor.
So yes your Nob can fire his pistol/shoota/combi and his TL-dakkagun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 22:55:47
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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AchillesFTW wrote:I was fairly sure there was somewhere that said that Attack Bikers can fire both the TL-Bolter and the Sidecar Weapon b/c they had two wounds.
Citation Needed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 23:08:37
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They can fire both the weapons because there are two riders. A nob on bike doesnt have two riders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 23:19:49
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Grakmar wrote:AchillesFTW wrote:I was fairly sure there was somewhere that said that Attack Bikers can fire both the TL-Bolter and the Sidecar Weapon b/c they had two wounds.
Citation Needed
Well Ach is correct that Space Marine Attack Bikes Can fire the TL-Bolter and the Sidecar Weapon, but he is incorrect on the point that it is because they have two wounds.
P.53 BRB states "Each bike in a unit may fire one weapon for each rider on the bike. Thus a Space Marine Attack Bike with a driver and passenger in sidecar can fire two weapons."
One weapon per rider, not one per wound.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/13 23:22:05
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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None of the poll options make sense, put me down for abstaining.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/14 03:36:03
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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He made it a checkbox poll, just vote for all of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/15 21:38:42
Subject: Re:Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Been Around the Block
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The nobz can take the Kombi weapons but you can only fire one weapon per turn since there is only one rider. But you still should give the different weapons so you can spread the wounds around,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/16 00:44:53
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Wicked Canoptek Wraith
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Grakmar wrote:AchillesFTW wrote:I was fairly sure there was somewhere that said that Attack Bikers can fire both the TL-Bolter and the Sidecar Weapon b/c they had two wounds.
Citation Needed
Well if you read my post you'd know that I didn't know WHERE it came from, simply that I had read it before. I wasn't stating it even exists anymore, just that I had though I had seen it.
And DeathReaper, doesn't that mean you could simply stick a grot or another ork onto the bike and then you CAN fire two weapons. Also I know that is modelling for an advantage, but, tournament wise isn't modelling for an advantage only concerning LOS?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/16 00:52:38
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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AchillesFTW wrote:And DeathReaper, doesn't that mean you could simply stick a grot or another ork onto the bike and then you CAN fire two weapons. Also I know that is modelling for an advantage, but, tournament wise isn't modelling for an advantage only concerning LOS?
Just as soon as you can find a rule that allows you to add extra crewmen to the model, go for your life.
Not only are there no rules that would allow you to do that, it wouldn't be accepted by most opponents or TO's regardless of what the rules say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/16 00:53:18
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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AchillesFTW wrote:
And DeathReaper, doesn't that mean you could simply stick a grot or another ork onto the bike and then you CAN fire two weapons.
Hahahah, WTF? Seriously? What makes you think it works that way? Citation Needed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/16 00:55:33
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Taking the Kombiweapons is useful in multiple ways.
1. It helps with creating unique wargear profiles.
2. The shoota has a longer range than the dakka guns.
3. Having a ranged tank cracking option in your power mob is useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/16 21:26:43
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:2. The shoota has a longer range than the dakka guns.
Actually, Dakkagunz and Shootas have the same range, 18 inches. Kombi-Rokkits can still shoot their Rokkits 24 inches, though. Automatically Appended Next Post: Unless you were thinking about BIG Shootas, which do have a 36 inch range, but are not a Wargear option for Warbosses or Nobz in a Nob Mob.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 09:06:52
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Having a scorcha isn't that bad either.
I'd also like to point out that you are buying nobz and warbikers, not bikes. Same deal for the warboss. So putting anything other than a single warbiker/nob/warboss model on a bike is actually against the rules(decorative/wargear gretchin and squigs not included).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 15:24:09
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I can just see a warboss on a looted SM bike with a couple of squigs and a gretchin sitting in the side car...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 16:25:54
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Well, I now have to make that conversion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 16:42:37
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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I can't believe how many people (see poll) openly voted for something blatantly wrong. I've often admitted I didn't know a rule (or argued a finer point... often losing), but never told someone that they could do something with no rule to back it up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 16:55:18
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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cgmckenzie wrote:Well, I now have to make that conversion.
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Please post pic when done...
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/17 17:02:30
Subject: Nob Bikerz with Combi Weapons
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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:Taking the Kombiweapons is useful in multiple ways.
1. It helps with creating unique wargear profiles.
2. The shoota has a longer range than the dakka guns.
3. Having a ranged tank cracking option in your power mob is useful.
This.
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