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Ok, I'm looking for the out and out cheesiest, hardest, whatever you want to call it, build for IG to couple with this particular Tau build. I'm thinking IG air-cav can do the trick (I can fit in 4 vendettas comfortably, but CCS feels left out as the 4 vet squads ride in the air), but I'm looking for suggestions on what you would do so I have some places to go (inspiration, yeah, that's it)

this is the general tau build:

HQ
Shas'el
missile pods, plasma rifle
target array, HW multi tracker, HW drone controller, 2x gun drones

2x shas'vre body guards
2x plasma rifles
2x missile pods

ELITE
3x crisis suits
TL missile pods, flamer
team leader
TL missile pods, flamer
HW drone controller, 2x shield drones

3x crisis suits
fusion gun, plasma rifle
team leader
fusion gun, plasma rifle
HW drone controller, 2x shield drones

FAST ATTACK
5x pathfinders
devilfish
disruption pods

TROOPS
6x fire warriors

6x fire warriors
devilfish
disruption pods

HEAVY SUPPORT
2x broadsides
1x drone controller 1x shield drone
1x target lock


Now, I know the broadsides will be shot at mad fast, so that makes me want to throw in at least a manticore into my IG (basically, I feel like at the 1250 level, I need to either max manticores or vendettas, but can't build a list with both that will perform well enough).

my thoughts lead me to either a chimera heavy build without vendettas which makes the CCS with 4 meltas less effective, but blocks LoS to manticores, or a 4 vets, 4 vendetta build where the CCS sort of sits around.... which isn't a good thing.

your thoughts? and **********we share a force org chart btw*********************
to, between our armies, we get 3 elites, 3 FA, 3 HS, must take at least 2 troops, max 3 per player, and 1 HQ.

have at it guys


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here are my ideas so far (rough sketches rather than finished lists really)

CCS: 145
-4 meltas, chimera HHF

PCS: 105
-4 flamers, chimera HHF

IS: 110
-autocannon, chimera HHF

IS: 110
-autocannon, chimera HHF

Vets: 170
-plasmas, chimera HHF

Vendetta: 140
-hb

Vendetta: 140
-hb

Hydras x2: 150

Hydras x2: 150

1220

CCS: 145 (this unit is so awkward here... :( )
-4 meltas, chimera, HHF

Veterans: 100
-3 meltas

Veterans: 100
-3 meltas

Veterans: 115
-3 plasma guns

Veterans: 115
-3 plasma guns

2 vendettas: 280
-hb
2 vendettas: 280
-hb

1130-ish

CCS: 145
-4 meltas, chimera HHF

Vets: 155
-3 meltas, chimera HHF

vets: 170
-3 plasma, chimera HHF

Vendetta: 140
-hb

Vendetta: 140
-hb

Manticore: 160

Manticore: 160

1240

I tend not to take team leaders for the suit squads evenm though it does allow you to take the shield drones. This mainly because the team leader and extra shield drones points can be better spent elsewhere such as giving your Shas'el Shield drones. May not help but I don't really know enough of IG to say much about that except that there are probably better choices than 2 manticores. Leman Russ tanks are always handy and if you get a punisher boosted with Tau markerlights that would be sick. Don't know if you can use the markelights for the IG though. Hope this helps.

Why are you wasting points by putting HBs on your Vendettas? If your going to be shooting at troops then your using the wrong vehicle.

Do you plan on suiciding in your troops on those skimmers? Or do you just want the skimmers for firepower? Are you playing IG or are you just making up something for someone else to run for your Tau... because then posting it here really doesn't matter, as the IG half doesn't really mean anything to you apparently.

Really, there is no cheese for IG. They have multiple solid lists that are winners. If your goal is to just support your Tau, then it doesn't matter.

IG is all cheese if done right (if by cheese you mean a grossly overpowered list); if your IG ain't OP, then you're doing it wrong. vendettas with HB's may seem counter-intuitive to some who are new to IG, but it vastly improves their versatility to other top tier builds that they are likely to face in the tourny circuit (long fangs should be springing to mind immediately, as should be typhoon squadrons, etc.).

Anyway, I am using the IG, partner is using the tau. @evaelec, I definitely agree with you, but he's a bit set in his ways..... my only options for change are on the IG front. Sadly, we can't use one army's special rules to boost another (can't share the 'We'll be back rule if both players use necrons; I can't give IG orders to tau units, etc, but good god I wish I could).

thanks for the help so far people

gorgon_locke wrote:Shas'el
missile pods, plasma rifle
target array, HW multi tracker, HW drone controller, 2x gun drones

2x shas'vre body guards
2x plasma rifles
2x missile pods

'vres are over priced for no gain, eating points where they could be better spent. Demote both, using that 3rd Elite slot. This would also mean that the Shas would need to dump his GDs, as they'd lower his Toughness to 3. You can still attach him to the demoted pair of suits.

gorgon_locke wrote:ELITE
3x crisis suits
TL missile pods, flamer
team leader
TL missile pods, flamer
HW drone controller, 2x shield drones

3x crisis suits
fusion gun, plasma rifle
team leader
fusion gun, plasma rifle
HW drone controller, 2x shield drones

A BK is worth rallying 2 surviving suits, should they fail morale.

gorgon_locke wrote:
HEAVY SUPPORT
2x broadsides
1x drone controller 1x shield drone
1x target lock

Now, I know the broadsides will be shot at mad fast,

So add another Shield Drone.

gorgon_locke wrote:your thoughts? and **********we share a force org chart btw*********************
to, between our armies, we get 3 elites, 3 FA, 3 HS, must take at least 2 troops, max 3 per player, and 1 HQ.

Ooh. Well, poop on the 'vre demotions, huh?

I have no advice to give for IG.

I appreciate the help man, but I have no control over the tau half; my partner is very set in his ways. I agree with what you mentioned, and I have already made suggestions, but, like I said, he's put his foot down.

The absolute scariest tau + guard list would probably be a guard player with nothing but basilisk + russes, and a tau player with nothing but broadsides... one pops tanks, one crushes everything that gets blown out of them.

Yeah, that would be nice. Only problem is, we share a total of 3 HS choices, so it's either 1 broadside squad and one russ and basilisk squad, or 2 broadside squads and either one russ squad or bassy squad

Your partner is not going to be of any real help outside of spamming twin-linked missiles and hiding his FireWarriors until the end of the game, so good luck on those objective missions. And close combat armies.

From what you've told me about the tourney, each player can only max out 3 troop choices. You have 4 Vet squads in most of your lists.

Why so dead-set on taking Vendetta's? Your friend has kitted himself out on nothing but anti-transport and anti-tank, so there's no reason for you to take as many meltas and twin linked-las cannons.

I'd take a Manticore, and a Vet squad dedicated to assaulting enemy held objectives; Veterans with Demolitions, two flamers, a heavy flamer, and give the sergeant a power weapon. That way you can contest objectives more effectively and still spam all your anti-tank weapons.


And their is no 'Cheese Build' for a doubles with any race. It's knowing what you and your friends strengths and weaknesses are and trying to compliment one another. Since your friend is stacking High Strength, low shot weapons (like the Missile Pod and Plasma Rifle and Broadsides), you should focus on Volume of Fire/Blast Weapons.

in doubles, a lot of cheese is nerfed, yeah, but cheesiest doubles IMO is a TWC list both people take (I won't go into that here)

I like your ideas though; they gave me some inspiration for new stuff.

gorgon_locke wrote:IG is all cheese if done right (if by cheese you mean a grossly overpowered list); if your IG ain't OP, then you're doing it wrong. vendettas with HB's may seem counter-intuitive to some who are new to IG, but it vastly improves their versatility to other top tier builds that they are likely to face in the tourny circuit (long fangs should be springing to mind immediately, as should be typhoon squadrons, etc.).

Your opinon of 'grossly overpowered' is kinda funny to me.

In a tourney circuit, your Vendetta is not going to live long enough to have the luxury to fire on infantry. Sure, if there are no vehicles what-so-ever, then you can fire on infantry. And if your only option to take out Longfangs are wasting Vendettas on them because two HBs put you over the top, your list is already in trouble. That is the job of your artillery, long range heavy weapons, or even Multi-Lasers. Hell, that is a job for Marbro. Not wasting your points is a key to a tourney list. If you feel HBs are a must, so be it. I will disagree.

To be honest, specially with a limit of 3 max choices for a Force Org slot, 1/3 of your lists are already out. If your still insistant on doing mech guard without Vets, your already knee-capping yourself some. I will also point this out, sure, you can't give the Tau player any help with Orders or Advisors, but your Advisors still screw over both of your opponents. Make sure you take a OotF.

Here is a mech platoon list, but I will wonder if your better off doing power blob instead with the limits listed. Eh, your choice.

CCS - 165pts
3x Melta guns, OotF, Chimera HHF

PCS - 117pts
3x Melta guns, Bolter, Chimera HHF

PIS - 115pts
Melta gun, Chimera HHF

PIS - 115pts
Melta gun, Chimera HHF

PCS - 117pts
3x Melta guns, Bolter, Chimera HHF

PIS - 115pts
Melta gun, Chimera HHF

PIS - 115pts
Melta gun, Chimera HHF

SWS - 65pts (in vendetta)
2x flamers, Demo Charge

SWS - 65pts (in vendetta)
2x flamers, Demo Charge

Vendetta - 130pts

Vendetta - 130pts

1249pts

I HQ, 2 Troops, 2 Fast. Vendettas are now scoring, can suicide drop troops for a demo charge attack or drop the SWSs to burn out cheap camping troops on a objective (Scouts, Rangers, Ect). I rather use them as gunships, but now they have better tactical flexibility and can still shoot at vehicles. You now have 7 Chimeras bearing down, probably in two ranks with the PIS in the front to protect the better CCS and PCSs. No Artillery but you have 8 scoring units (since the Tau guy is so light on troops), this probably helps your team better. I would put the CCS in the middle of your Chimera rush force to protect that OotF because that might piss off one or both of your opponents, depending on who your facing.

you make a solid list for doubles, but grossly OP for me with IG looks like:

CCS 4x melt, chimera HHF
CCS 4x melt, chimera HHF
PBS, 4 extra, chimera HHF
plasma vets, chimera HHF
PCS 4x flame, chimera HHF
IS, autocannon, chimera HHF
IS, autocannon, chimera HHF
HWS, 3 autocannons
HWS, 3 autocannons
HWS, 3 autocannons
2 vendettas, HB
2 vendettas, HB
2 vendettas, HB
manticore
manticore
manticore
this list fits in 2500 (it's 2495 IIRC)

it will table most anything in 3-4 turns.

gorgon_locke wrote:you make a solid list for doubles, but grossly OP for me with IG looks like:

CCS 4x melt, chimera HHF
CCS 4x melt, chimera HHF
PBS, 4 extra, chimera HHF
plasma vets, chimera HHF
PCS 4x flame, chimera HHF
IS, autocannon, chimera HHF
IS, autocannon, chimera HHF
HWS, 3 autocannons
HWS, 3 autocannons
HWS, 3 autocannons
2 vendettas, HB
2 vendettas, HB
2 vendettas, HB
manticore
manticore
manticore
this list fits in 2500 (it's 2495 IIRC)

it will table most anything in 3-4 turns.

I'd have to disagree strongly with this 'op list'. It looks like your just slapping units together in an attempt to make it look intimidating. 2500 Points of anything Space Marine, Dark Eldar, and Necron would wreck this list.

Besides, you're off tangent here. Your inquery is about teaming up with a Tau player soully kitting out for anti-armor and nothing else. Even though Tom's list is rather run-of-the-mill yawn-fest list, it still works. I wouldn't go all melta, but to each his own. That aside, I would take Tom's list, drop a Vendetta and both special weapon squads for a Veteran squad kitted with Demolitions, two flamers and a Heavy Flamer, and give the sergeant a power weapon.

You want to burn out and hold objectives, which that Vet Squad can do much better against both infantry and vehicles (such as Dreadnoughts).