JERUSALEM — Posters depicting women have become rare in the streets of Israel's capital. In some areas women have been shunted onto separate sidewalks, and buses and health clinics have been gender-segregated. The military has considered reassigning some female combat soldiers because religious men don't want to serve with them. This is the new reality in parts of 21st-century Israel, where ultra-Orthodox rabbis are trying to contain the encroachment of secular values on their cloistered society through a fierce backlash against the mixing of the sexes in public. On the surface, Israel's gender equality bona fides seem strong, with the late Golda Meir as a former prime minister, Tzipi Livni as the current opposition leader, and its women soldiers famed around the world. Reality is not so shiny. The World Economic Forum recently released an unfavorable image of women's earning power in Israel, and in 2009, the last year for which data are available, Israeli women earned two-thirds what men did. The newly enforced separation is felt most strongly in Jerusalem, where ultra-Orthodox Jews are growing in numbers and strength. The phenomenon is starting to be seen elsewhere, though in the Tel Aviv region, Israel's largest metropolis, secular Jews are the vast majority, and life there resembles most Western cities.
Still, secular Jews there and elsewhere in Israel worry that their lifestyles could be targeted, too, because the ultra-Orthodox population, while still relatively small, is growing significantly. Their high birthrate of about seven children per family is forecast to send their proportion of the population, now estimated at 9 percent, to 15 percent by 2025.
Though categorizing is difficult, it is estimated that about one-quarter of Israel's 6 million Jews are modern Orthodox, another quarter are traditional and the rest secular. Numbers aside, the ultra-Orthodox wield disproportionate power in Israel's fragmented political system. "The stronger the ultra-Orthodox and religious community grows, the greater its attempt to impose its norms," said Hannah Kehat, the founder of the religious women's forum Kolech. Their norms, she said, are "segregation of women and discrimination against them." Ultra-Orthodox Jews around the world have long frowned upon the mixing of the sexes in their communities, but the attempt to apply this prohibition in public spaces is relatively new in Israel. Israel's ultra-Orthodox, known for their black garb and flowing sidelocks, began testing gender segregation years ago when ultra-Orthodox men started ordering women on certain bus lines to sit at the back of buses traveling through their neighborhoods. The practice, also adopted in some ultra-Orthodox communities in the United States, was successfully challenged in Israel's Supreme Court, and Kehat says women have been filing far fewer complaints about their treatment on buses. The vast majority of Israeli bus lines have never been segregated. But buses weren't the last stop on the gender-segregation ride. Some supermarkets in ultra-Orthodox communities, once content to urge women patrons to dress modestly with long-sleeved blouses and long skirts, have now assigned separate hours for men and women — another practice seen in ultra-Orthodox communities in the U.S. Some health clinics have separate entrances and waiting rooms for men and women. Meni Shwartz-Gera, an ultra-Orthodox journalist, says strict observance of modesty is a pillar of ultra-Orthodox Judaism and is being "wickedly" misrepresented as demeaning to women. People who dislike it can choose different options like supermarkets without special hours for men and women, he said. "The purpose is not to denigrate women," he said. Israel's Supreme Court disagrees.
Last month, the court ordered the dismantling of barriers erected in Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodox Mea Shearim neighborhood meant to keep women and men from walking on the same sidewalk during a religious ceremony that drew tens of thousands to the enclave's narrow streets. Gender segregation "began with buses, continued with supermarkets and reached the streets," Chief Justice Dorit Beinisch was quoted as saying during the court hearing. "It's not going away, just the opposite." The Jerusalem city councilwoman who brought the case before the court, herself a religious Jew, was fired by secular Mayor Nir Barkat.
Barkat, who rose to power vowing to scale back the growing influence of an ultra-Orthodox population that accounts for one-third of the city's 750,000 people, said he dismissed Rachel Azaria because she sued the city, not because she faced off against the ultra-Orthodox in court. For years, advertisers have been covering up female models on billboards in Jerusalem and other communities with large ultra-Orthodox populations. Ultra-Orthodox have defaced such ads and vendors faced ultra-Orthodox boycotts of companies whose mores they deplore. Recently, the voluntary censorship has gone beyond the scantily clad: Women are either totally absent from billboards, or, as with one clothing company's ads, only hinted at by a photo of a back, an arm and a purse. Over the summer, Jerusalem inaugurated a long-awaited light rail with a major outdoor advertising campaign. The rail line is touted as a marvel of 21st-century technology, but there are no women's faces on any of the billboards affixed to its sides. Advertisers acknowledge ultra-Orthodox pressure. A private radio station went so far as to ban broadcast of songs by female vocalists and interviews with women. Ohad Gibli, deputy director of marketing for the Canaan advertising agency, confirmed Monday that his company advised a transplant organization to drop pictures of women in their campaigns in Jerusalem and the ultra-Orthodox town of Bnei Brak for fear of a violent backlash. "We have learned that an ad campaign in Jerusalem and Bnei Brak that includes pictures of women will remain up for hours at best, and in other cases, will lead to the vandalization and torching of buses," he told Army Radio. Barkat told reporters recently that "It's illegal to forbid" advertising women. But "in Jerusalem, you've got to use common sense if you want to advertise something. It's a special city, it's a holy city with sensitivities for Muslims, for Christians, for ultra-Orthodox." If women are being figuratively erased from the city's advertising landscape, then there are also attempts afoot by the devout to muzzle them. In September, nine religious soldiers walked out of a military event because women were singing — an act that extremely devout Jews claim conjures up lustful thoughts. The military expelled four of them from an officers' course because they refused to apologize for disobeying orders to stay. But in a separate case, the army notified four female combat soldiers that they might have to leave their artillery battalion to make way for religious male soldiers who object to the mixing of the sexes.

Jihadin wrote:Hear about the oopsy between Skorzey and Obama today? Open mic.....

Melissia wrote:"The World Economic Forum recently released an unfavorable image of women's earning power in Israel, and in 2009, the last year for which data are available, Israeli women earned two-thirds what men did. "

Sounds a bit like the US... although thankfully religious extremists don't have QUITE as strong a pull here as they do in the middle east.

Let's hope they never do.

Phototoxin wrote:Nuke them from Iran...er orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

mattyrm wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Nuke them from Iran...er orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Considering how much you love the Palestinians, that's probably a bad idea, what with all the fallout and all.

Still, it's not the first time you have posted something staggeringly short sighted when it comes to Palestine/Northern Ireland/life in general.

ShumaGorath wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Nuke them from Iran...er orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Considering how much you love the Palestinians, that's probably a bad idea, what with all the fallout and all.

Still, it's not the first time you have posted something staggeringly short sighted when it comes to Palestine/Northern Ireland/life in general.

Nuke life in general! It's the only way to be sure.

ShumaGorath wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Nuke them from Iran...er orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Considering how much you love the Palestinians, that's probably a bad idea, what with all the fallout and all.

Still, it's not the first time you have posted something staggeringly short sighted when it comes to Palestine/Northern Ireland/life in general.

Nuke life in general! It's the only way to be sure.

On a serious note, wouldnt a modern nuke kinda do that? I was reading about the US dismantling one of its van sized nukes on BBC news, and it said that it was (according to the American Federation of Scientists) 600 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

ShumaGorath wrote:

On a serious note, wouldnt a modern nuke kinda do that? I was reading about the US dismantling one of its van sized nukes on BBC news, and it said that it was (according to the American Federation of Scientists) 600 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

The most powerful nuke ever used could cause third degree burns at 60 miles away and broke windows at 500 (those crazy ruskies).

mattyrm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

mattyrm wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Nuke them from Iran...er orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

Considering how much you love the Palestinians, that's probably a bad idea, what with all the fallout and all.

Still, it's not the first time you have posted something staggeringly short sighted when it comes to Palestine/Northern Ireland/life in general.

Nuke life in general! It's the only way to be sure.

On a serious note, wouldnt a modern nuke kinda do that? I was reading about the US dismantling one of its van sized nukes on BBC news, and it said that it was (according to the American Federation of Scientists) 600 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

I went to Hiroshima, It was beyond fethed up what happened there, and I have to wonder exactly what an estimated 600x that would actually look like.. Maybe it would blast us so hard we crack the planet in half and the whole thing blows up like when Darth Vadar fired the death star at that planet.

And if I wore a space suit would I survive and just float off?

Edit: Dakka changed known radius 'r' to 'are'. Bad Dakka assuming I type like a chav.

Orlanth wrote:600x sounds a lot, in many ways it isnt.

Ahtman wrote:

Orlanth wrote:600x sounds a lot, in many ways it isnt.

That probably isn't much consolation when you're within range.

Neither is a hand grenade. Your point is?

Jihadin wrote:Possible hijack?