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Because until fairly recently (around the time of the creation of Israel) there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" as a distinct group from other Arabs in the region.
biccat wrote:Because until fairly recently (around the time of the creation of Israel) there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" as a distinct group from other Arabs in the region.
On that logic would that make the Israelis an invented people as well?
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What KK said. Every nation is invented at one point or another. Is Newt going to say the same about Liberia next? Or is he just pandering for votes?
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That's a stupid statement to make even if he was a rabid Zionist, he's still a historian. Palestinians are no more created than Syrians, Lebanonese, or Jordanians. He should have said stateless people represented by a terrorist organization at the international body that recognizes them as a people...
Like to point out:
Palestinian President
Says Newt doesn't know history
Claims Palestinians have been there for "thousands" of years.
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Huffy wrote:On that logic would that make the Israelis an invented people as well?
I would imagine that most of the people living there would have a difficult time tracing their lineage to the original "People of Israel." However, there were "Israelis" in the area for quite some time.
There were differences between "Israelis" and the surrounding Arab population that are not present between Palestinians and the surrounding Arab population.
Kilkrazy wrote:Aren't all people invented, including Americans?
Americans in particular are an "invented people." Unless you're talking about Native Americans, but even then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have identified themselves as "Americans" before colonization.
biccat wrote:
There were differences between "Jews" and the surrounding Muslim population that are not present between Palestinian Muslims and the surrounding Muslim population.
Fixed, though there are significant differences between, say, Jordanian Muslims and Palestinian Muslims, especially now that nationality has taken a degree of hold.
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Kilkrazy wrote:Aren't all people invented, including Americans?
Is it bad to have been invented?
Yes. I think the difference might be self invention vice the League of Nations Mandates. It's certainly not a bad thing to BE an invented people, it's certainly worked out for a majority of the Levants.
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biccat wrote:
There were differences between "Jews" and the surrounding Muslim population that are not present between Palestinian Muslims and the surrounding Muslim population.
Fixed, though there are significant differences between, say, Jordanian Muslims and Palestinian Muslims, especially now that nationality has taken a degree of hold.
Whhat are those differences?
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
biccat wrote:Because until fairly recently (around the time of the creation of Israel) there was no such thing as a "Palestinian" as a distinct group from other Arabs in the region.
On that logic would that make the Israelis an invented people as well?
Same with "Americans".
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Nationalism, mostly, but also the relative saturation of Sunni and Shi'a.
I'm pretty sure both Palestinians and Jordanians are predominantly Sunni. Even so nearly 1/3rd of Jordan's population is made up of "Palestinians" with Jordanian citizenship and access to Jordanian social services. Although what we are really talking about is the loss of Jordanian identity then, between the Iraqis and Palestinians fully half of Jordan's population isn't "Jordanian" but I digress.
I concede that nationalism divides Palestinians from Jordanians, but that is perhaps the only division between them.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Dunno what nations aren't "invented" really these days...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mind you, given that one particular candidate showed up in an gay-hating advertisement in the same jacket made famous by Brokeback Mountain, I'm not sure they're really taking this very seriously.
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Not the exact same one no. But it might as well be.
The more I read about Rick Perry, the more I realize that he is scum, and I've already known that from his unfortunate place in Texas politics...
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AustonT wrote:
I'm pretty sure both Palestinians and Jordanians are predominantly Sunni.
They are, but most people in the Caribbean are Protestant, yet we don't talk very much about how much the US has in common with Jamaica (except John Candy).
AustonT wrote:
Even so nearly 1/3rd of Jordan's population is made up of "Palestinians" with Jordanian citizenship and access to Jordanian social services. Although what we are really talking about is the loss of Jordanian identity then, between the Iraqis and Palestinians fully half of Jordan's population isn't "Jordanian" but I digress.
To be fair, the national distinction between Palestinians and Jordanians is tenuous at best, it exists because of Israel (though that doesn't mean they are at fault).
AustonT wrote:
I concede that nationalism divides Palestinians from Jordanians, but that is perhaps the only division between them.
It is, however, a big one.
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Jihadin wrote:Do not knock Carhartt jackets that Rick wearing. Shows he's an actual blue color worker.
Rick Perry is less blue collar than the average Occupy Wall Street protester.
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Mr Hyena wrote:How is abandoning israel a good idea?
Because the only way you can not support Israel to the very ends of the earth is to completely and utterly abandon them....
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They are, but most people in the Caribbean are Protestant, yet we don't talk very much about how much the US has in common with Jamaica (except John Candy).
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Am I missing something here or was John Candy not Canadian?
Oh no, it's another Israel thread! We have kicked the arse out of this topic by now surely?!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Im not that squared away with Newton, but after seeing that video I presume the man is a tit.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
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